Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the different perspective? I’m not sure what you’re saying.

It is not something just made up by elite white college student libs with lavender hair and a lot of piercings.

The black activitist community popularized the term during the Ferguson riots. I think this is common knowledge. Once it went viral, white libs leaned into it a little too hard and it became a term of mockery.

The Black community used the term long before Ferguson.

Yes, that’s the entire point of this thread. But the term started going mainstream with Ferguson.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the different perspective? I’m not sure what you’re saying.

It is not something just made up by elite white college student libs with lavender hair and a lot of piercings.

The black activitist community popularized the term during the Ferguson riots. I think this is common knowledge. Once it went viral, white libs leaned into it a little too hard and it became a term of mockery.

The Black community used the term long before Ferguson.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.

Yes, I was chuckling to myself when an Aussie right winger talked about "woke" being bad and when I thought about the racist Aussie using the words of a black man.

Racists think it's bad because a black man sad it.

Anonymous wrote:Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.

Yes, I was chuckling to myself when an Aussie right winger talked about "woke" being bad and when I thought about the racist Aussie using the words of a black man.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the different perspective? I’m not sure what you’re saying.

It is not something just made up by elite white college student libs with lavender hair and a lot of piercings.

yes it is, at least since 2020 when it became part of the modern political dialogue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.

No, no it doesn’t.

It’s a work and takes in multiple meanings depending on context or the times.

Your quote misuses it to say “stay vigilant”.

Bankrupt BLM and DEI used it during Covid to say “be enlightened” to their cause.

Then it because a term for appeasing BLM and DEI demands.

Now there are DEI and BLM lawsuits everywhere and the left wants to use Woke as a term for right wing nut jobs and the right wants to use Woke as a term for left wing nut jobs.

Good stuff.

NP. It's a strange generational shift I've seen. My father was Republican, truly compassionate, a man of integrity and a gentleman. My brother, and others I know and see online, are Republican and a**holes. Why is that?

I grew up with Reagan. I feel there was at least more decency and integrity and consistency back then. And Reagan famously said "Trust, but verify."
I feel like so much of that is gone now. Today's Republicans are led by these cravenly dishonest liars who will say and do anything to either get ahead and keep power. There is very little coherent, consistent policy anymore, instead it's become a cult of personality around Trump, and whatever wind blows from Trump's mouth today is their ideological purity, regardless of where they stood last year on the same issue.

I think it all started with Rush Limbaugh and conservative talk radio, getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine, and the rise of FOX News, and it's only gotten progressively worse. It's even to the point where it is visibly evident that FOX struggles to contain the monster it helped create, and where those who helped forge the Frankenstein's Monster that is MAGA, like Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson and others now decry it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.

No, no it doesn’t.

It’s a work and takes in multiple meanings depending on context or the times.

Your quote misuses it to say “stay vigilant”.

Bankrupt BLM and DEI used it during Covid to say “be enlightened” to their cause.

Then it because a term for appeasing BLM and DEI demands.

Now there are DEI and BLM lawsuits everywhere and the left wants to use Woke as a term for right wing nut jobs and the right wants to use Woke as a term for left wing nut jobs.

Good stuff.

NP. It's a strange generational shift I've seen. My father was Republican, truly compassionate, a man of integrity and a gentleman. My brother, and others I know and see online, are Republican and a**holes. Why is that?

I really hate this term when used to mean anything other than the past tense of "wake."

It is ungrammatical and, as noted above, has no standard definition. People need to say what they mean, instead of using popular-but-meaningless terms like this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.

No, no it doesn’t.

It’s a work and takes in multiple meanings depending on context or the times.

Your quote misuses it to say “stay vigilant”.

Bankrupt BLM and DEI used it during Covid to say “be enlightened” to their cause.

Then it because a term for appeasing BLM and DEI demands.

Now there are DEI and BLM lawsuits everywhere and the left wants to use Woke as a term for right wing nut jobs and the right wants to use Woke as a term for left wing nut jobs.

Good stuff.

"Stay vigilant" was never a misuse. That was always the original use. But not just "stay vigilant" but also to be aware and informed to the social and cultural subtexts that nobody wants to talk about publicly, like racism.

Now where is anyone wanting to call right wingers "woke?" Do you have a citation for that? I've never heard of that usage.

Anonymous wrote:Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.

No, no it doesn’t.

It’s a work and takes in multiple meanings depending on context or the times.

Your quote misuses it to say “stay vigilant”.

Bankrupt BLM and DEI used it during Covid to say “be enlightened” to their cause.

Then it because a term for appeasing BLM and DEI demands.

Now there are DEI and BLM lawsuits everywhere and the left wants to use Woke as a term for right wing nut jobs and the right wants to use Woke as a term for left wing nut jobs.

Good stuff.

That's interesting, OP. I didn't know about the Lead Belly connection. I assume it was a phrasing that was used at the time and he popularized it in a song??

I think lots of "woke" terms start out kind of organically, used or reclaimed by a particular group, and are then picked up and disseminated by academics. The generous intepretation is that the academic crowd is being respectful and adopting the terminology preferred by a particular (marginalized) group. Another way to look at it - and they could both be true - is that they politicize and use terms in ways not intended by that group.

In any case, sure there are Latinate and Greek-origin words like "hegemony" and "paradigm," in the woke lexicon, but the pattern you are noticing is actually pretty common.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the different perspective? I’m not sure what you’re saying.

It is not something just made up by elite white college student libs with lavender hair and a lot of piercings.

The black activitist community popularized the term during the Ferguson riots. I think this is common knowledge. Once it went viral, white libs leaned into it a little too hard and it became a term of mockery.

Anonymous wrote:What’s the different perspective? I’m not sure what you’re saying.

It is not something just made up by elite white college student libs with lavender hair and a lot of piercings.

What’s the different perspective? I’m not sure what you’re saying.

Marcus Garvey.
Lead Belly:
"I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open."

Friend who is kind of an idiot asked where it came from so I looked it up.

Puts a different perspective on it.