Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

They struggle to lose weight because they're unable to control themselves. Just look at how many of the Diet and Exercise threads are people using medication to lose weight.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

Another DP and I agree with you that obesity is happening due to systemic issues and not just lack of personal responsibility by each individual obese person.

Which is why OP's premise is exactly backwards. OP is arguing that obesity is fine but there's a conspiracy among the powers that be to try and convince us that obesity is bad so that they can more effectively starve us and force us to do physical work.

In reality, "the powers that be" are likely responsible for obesity, creating a food supply loaded with hyper-processed foods filled with chemicals, pushing us into sedentary jobs with long hours and lengthy commutes that have to be done via cars. When we have physical and mental difficulties as a result of these high-stress, sedentary lifestyles, we are encouraged to use pharmaceuticals to "fix" these problems, rather than work less, exercise more, and eat better quality food.

This is why rates of obesity are so high in the US, where capitalism runs amok, and are increasing in countries adopting US-style work culture, as in Asia and Europe. Obesity is a sign of excess.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

DP

When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

You better pray you never have to take a medication that causes severe weight gain. You will have to drop that attitude fast.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.

Anonymous wrote:Oh sweetheart, you must be under 30.

Even if your cholesterol and blood pressure are fine now, your joints and ligaments are going to start screaming at you soon.

DP. Those can be replaced. If we had national health care, it would be free!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

+1 70% of US adults are overweight or obese. Adults are surrounded by ultra processed sugary foods and have sedentary jobs and limited time to cook or exercise. What did folks think was going to happen?

Anonymous wrote:It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live. But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates. This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime. Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.

Oh sweetheart, you must be under 30.

Even if your cholesterol and blood pressure are fine now, your joints and ligaments are going to start screaming at you soon.

The main issue is now there are drugs to keep us alive when we normally would have keeled over in our 50s or 60s, resulting in a bunch of seniors in the way and hogging resources.
IMO the antivax antimask covid frenzy was to kill off more "vulnerables." Same with RFK war on vaccines (placebo tests) and chainsaw for meals on wheels etc.
We know and we vote, lol.

I think the main issue with obesity is that it can have a spiraling effect on your health. Excess weight makes it harder/more uncomfortable to exercise, so you exercise less, which leads to more weight gain, which leads to being more sedentary. This happened with my mom and it's definitely a problem. She doesn't like walking more than a block and has a ton of joint issues because of the extra weight she carries. She's older and retired so no one cares if she can perform physical labor, and I can't think of a situation in which anyone would want to starve her, as she has plenty of money and can easily afford to feed herself.

Do you dispute the mountain of evidence that obesity both significantly increases your likelihood of developing many different diseases and also exacerbates the severity of the diseases?

It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.

Ah, and it makes it harder for the pr0n-obsessed males to impregnate you if you don't look like a bobble-headed fscktoy.

it makes you harder to starve, and may reduce your ability to perform physical labor for the state.

Change my mind.