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Anonymous wrote:Charter schools already discriminate without existence of a religious theme.

How?

Many charter school applications are separate from regular public school admissions. This favors more organized/advantaged parents over less organized/advantaged parents. Most charters are supposed to educate all children but do not have teachers, resources, and services for students with IEPs. One charter school is known for pushing out students who test poorly on state assessments and not backfilling (allowing new students to enter after the lower grades).

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Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

I'm a Catholic school teacher who is very strongly opposed to religious charter schools, because I believe in the separation of church and state.

But I am confused by the bolded. Existing Catholic schools don't teach what is bolded. Why would you think that a Catholic charter school would?

Because Catholic schools do indoctrinate children into the Catholic faith.

Did you actually go to Catholic school?
Sometimes it does the opposite.

No one can or should expect a religious school to refrain from teaching their religious dogma. More than reasonable. What is not reasonable is to expect that taxpayers should sponsor a religious charter school. Latter is breaking down the wall.

If a student attends a private religious school, usually the student is expected to attend and be respectful of the religious activities. If a student attends a religiously-affiliated public charter school, are they expected to do the same?

Anonymous wrote:Charter schools already discriminate without existence of a religious theme.

How?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

Do I think the state should fund a religious charter school? As the law is presently written, no.

Where I think there is room for nuance is that the state’s interest is in making sure children are properly academically educated. If that can happen within a secretion school and the parents are choosing that for their child, I don’t particularly see the problem.

I only see the problem if the public is expected to pay for a religious education, which is the point here.

I don’t care if the state pays for a religious education as long as it is not mandated and the nonsectarian, academic goals of the state are being met.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

I'm a Catholic school teacher who is very strongly opposed to religious charter schools, because I believe in the separation of church and state.

But I am confused by the bolded. Existing Catholic schools don't teach what is bolded. Why would you think that a Catholic charter school would?

Because Catholic schools do indoctrinate children into the Catholic faith.

Did you actually go to Catholic school?
Sometimes it does the opposite.

It does indoctrinate, but it also can teach you to look at things critically and see that there are loopholes and contradictions, but you can’t take away the indoctrination.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

I'm a Catholic school teacher who is very strongly opposed to religious charter schools, because I believe in the separation of church and state.

But I am confused by the bolded. Existing Catholic schools don't teach what is bolded. Why would you think that a Catholic charter school would?

My kids go to Catholic school and they absolutely taught that gay people were going to hell.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

I'm a Catholic school teacher who is very strongly opposed to religious charter schools, because I believe in the separation of church and state.

But I am confused by the bolded. Existing Catholic schools don't teach what is bolded. Why would you think that a Catholic charter school would?

Because Catholic schools do indoctrinate children into the Catholic faith.

Did you actually go to Catholic school?
Sometimes it does the opposite.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

I'm a Catholic school teacher who is very strongly opposed to religious charter schools, because I believe in the separation of church and state.

But I am confused by the bolded. Existing Catholic schools don't teach what is bolded. Why would you think that a Catholic charter school would?

Because Catholic schools do indoctrinate children into the Catholic faith.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

Do I think the state should fund a religious charter school? As the law is presently written, no.

Where I think there is room for nuance is that the state’s interest is in making sure children are properly academically educated. If that can happen within a secretion school and the parents are choosing that for their child, I don’t particularly see the problem.

I only see the problem if the public is expected to pay for a religious education, which is the point here.

Yes. That’s one of the ways they try to bring up their test scores, which is actually kinda laughable because charters consistently underperform relative to traditional public’s with few notable exceptions.

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

Do I think the state should fund a religious charter school? As the law is presently written, no.

Where I think there is room for nuance is that the state’s interest is in making sure children are properly academically educated. If that can happen within a secretion school and the parents are choosing that for their child, I don’t particularly see the problem.

Anonymous wrote:The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.

I'm a Catholic school teacher who is very strongly opposed to religious charter schools, because I believe in the separation of church and state.

But I am confused by the bolded. Existing Catholic schools don't teach what is bolded. Why would you think that a Catholic charter school would?

Charter schools already discriminate without existence of a religious theme.

The Supremes are likely to tear down the separation between church and state. While charter schools are considered public bodies, the Supremes seemingly will allow religious organizations to sponsor charter schools. Presumably, charter schools sponsored by religious organizations will promote or at least teach their own doctrines. So, are we okay with a child attending a Catholic sponsored charter school hearing about the evils of being gay or being a Protestant? Are we okay with a child of Catholic parents attending a school sponsored by strict Protestants hearing about the evils of Catholicism or even the Reformation? Can these religious based schools discriminate against those of other religions? What about rural America where few, if any, options exist? Are we okay with a child of Jewish parents in rural America having no option other than to attend an evangelical sponsored school? The fact is that religious based charter schools break down the separation of church and state and are contrary to the First Amendment. This country was founded in large part by those fleeing the religious wars in Europe.