Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 21:25     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:Langley 2% FARM
Herndon 50% FARM

Adjacent pyramids. Let me know if you see anything off about this.


It was not this way when the boundaries were drawn. Therefore, it was not "segregation."
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 21:21     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not really fair to the ESOL and SPED students that they are tossed in a class most of the day where they often understand very little. If they are lucky they get an hour a day of pull out instruction and someone coming in off and on to help them. It's not enough and I can't imagine how lost many of them feel.


I feel this acutely. The over emphasis on mainstreaming everyone immediately is almost always to the detriment of kids who need extra help. I see classes with more than 10 students with IEP's and more than 5 students who are Wnhlish learners, with one part time aide who 90% of the time has to focus on student who has intensive behavioral needs and needs constant 1-1 attention. All of the other kids just get whatever the main classroom teacher can give, plus a short pull out group for EL's during 20-30 mins of language arts.

Would most IEP students and EL's be getting more attention and learning more in self-contained classes? Absolutely. No question.

I don't understand when the "least restrictive environment" slipped to ALWAYS being the mainstream classroom.






It’s swinging to even more inclusion. FCPS is piloting programs to put more students in inclusive settings and reduce self contained options.


Can you give examples?

Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 21:16     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Coming? Isn't that what AAP does already now?



+1 PREACH!


AAP allows for school choice and transfer to a center program or even your choice of a MS.

AAP as we know it now was a response to declining school populations in certain neighborhoods. Some examples include the former Jefferson HS, Louise Archer ES and Luther Jackson MS. Those specific schools were just about on the chopping block and slated for closure hence the AP/GT programs or the location of a new Governor’s School. Right place, right time. Same era Cedar Lane ES was also slated to close and then re-opened as an alternative school.

Now every ES bolsters against neighborhood attrition by specializing so a school is AAP center or operates Head Start or has an autism program, etc. Can’t be just a neighborhood school anymore.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 21:08     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Langley 2% FARM
Herndon 50% FARM

Adjacent pyramids. Let me know if you see anything off about this.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 21:06     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:Coming? Isn't that what AAP does already now?



+1 PREACH!
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 20:16     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not really fair to the ESOL and SPED students that they are tossed in a class most of the day where they often understand very little. If they are lucky they get an hour a day of pull out instruction and someone coming in off and on to help them. It's not enough and I can't imagine how lost many of them feel.


I feel this acutely. The over emphasis on mainstreaming everyone immediately is almost always to the detriment of kids who need extra help. I see classes with more than 10 students with IEP's and more than 5 students who are Wnhlish learners, with one part time aide who 90% of the time has to focus on student who has intensive behavioral needs and needs constant 1-1 attention. All of the other kids just get whatever the main classroom teacher can give, plus a short pull out group for EL's during 20-30 mins of language arts.

Would most IEP students and EL's be getting more attention and learning more in self-contained classes? Absolutely. No question.

I don't understand when the "least restrictive environment" slipped to ALWAYS being the mainstream classroom.


It’s swinging to even more inclusion. FCPS is piloting programs to put more students in inclusive settings and reduce self contained options.


And then they'll brag about their inclusive and caring practices. It's just a way to save money and hide the shortage of special ed teachers.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:52     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
The bottom line is that most of these children do not come from homes that foster academics and assimilation. My grandfather immigrated from Italy 100 years ago at age 7 and was instantly put into public school in the U.S. He knew zero English. But his family didn't immigrate to the U.S. for him to fail in school, so he picked it up.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:48     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not really fair to the ESOL and SPED students that they are tossed in a class most of the day where they often understand very little. If they are lucky they get an hour a day of pull out instruction and someone coming in off and on to help them. It's not enough and I can't imagine how lost many of them feel.


I feel this acutely. The over emphasis on mainstreaming everyone immediately is almost always to the detriment of kids who need extra help. I see classes with more than 10 students with IEP's and more than 5 students who are Wnhlish learners, with one part time aide who 90% of the time has to focus on student who has intensive behavioral needs and needs constant 1-1 attention. All of the other kids just get whatever the main classroom teacher can give, plus a short pull out group for EL's during 20-30 mins of language arts.

Would most IEP students and EL's be getting more attention and learning more in self-contained classes? Absolutely. No question.

I don't understand when the "least restrictive environment" slipped to ALWAYS being the mainstream classroom.


It’s swinging to even more inclusion. FCPS is piloting programs to put more students in inclusive settings and reduce self contained options.


The only person this helps is mom’s ego.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:46     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not really fair to the ESOL and SPED students that they are tossed in a class most of the day where they often understand very little. If they are lucky they get an hour a day of pull out instruction and someone coming in off and on to help them. It's not enough and I can't imagine how lost many of them feel.


I feel this acutely. The over emphasis on mainstreaming everyone immediately is almost always to the detriment of kids who need extra help. I see classes with more than 10 students with IEP's and more than 5 students who are Wnhlish learners, with one part time aide who 90% of the time has to focus on student who has intensive behavioral needs and needs constant 1-1 attention. All of the other kids just get whatever the main classroom teacher can give, plus a short pull out group for EL's during 20-30 mins of language arts.

Would most IEP students and EL's be getting more attention and learning more in self-contained classes? Absolutely. No question.

I don't understand when the "least restrictive environment" slipped to ALWAYS being the mainstream classroom.


It’s swinging to even more inclusion. FCPS is piloting programs to put more students in inclusive settings and reduce self contained options.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:30     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Anonymous wrote:It's not really fair to the ESOL and SPED students that they are tossed in a class most of the day where they often understand very little. If they are lucky they get an hour a day of pull out instruction and someone coming in off and on to help them. It's not enough and I can't imagine how lost many of them feel.


I feel this acutely. The over emphasis on mainstreaming everyone immediately is almost always to the detriment of kids who need extra help. I see classes with more than 10 students with IEP's and more than 5 students who are Wnhlish learners, with one part time aide who 90% of the time has to focus on student who has intensive behavioral needs and needs constant 1-1 attention. All of the other kids just get whatever the main classroom teacher can give, plus a short pull out group for EL's during 20-30 mins of language arts.

Would most IEP students and EL's be getting more attention and learning more in self-contained classes? Absolutely. No question.

I don't understand when the "least restrictive environment" slipped to ALWAYS being the mainstream classroom.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:24     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
It's not really fair to the ESOL and SPED students that they are tossed in a class most of the day where they often understand very little. If they are lucky they get an hour a day of pull out instruction and someone coming in off and on to help them. It's not enough and I can't imagine how lost many of them feel.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:04     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
I don't think AAP works all that well. If it did, certain parts of Falls Church would be revitalized by young professional couples. As it stands, they don't want to take a chance on the problem schools in Eastern Fairfax County.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 19:01     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
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Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 18:59     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
Coming? Isn't that what AAP does already now?

Anonymous
Post 04/28/2025 18:53     Subject: Segregation Is Coming
At these tax rates, don't be surprised when parents start pushing for more segregation in schools to remove or sequester low-performing ESOL kids. While it will seem harsh, all kids deserve a great education, and none should be held back by classmates that don't speak English or who don't want to learn.