Anonymous
05/05/2025 19:12
Subject: Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:OP. NO. Anything that is not even 140 or above, I'd exclude. Hate to burst the bubble but the WISC above 120 but below 130 means your child is above average but not gifted in the sense that it would be beneficial for you to include it.
NP. Excluding any score below 140 is absurd. We submitted appeal w 132 WISC and DC was accepted. Scores above 130 are 98% + and considered gifted. The subsection scores help tell a story, too, and can be helpful if they show strengths that weren’t adequately demonstrated in the original file.
Anonymous
05/05/2025 16:03
Subject: Include wisc score lower than 130?
Depends on local norms. It's not a gifted program. They seem to prefer "bright" / above average (i.e., not necessarily gifted) students who are super engaged at school. Profoundly gifted students may not come across as being engaged at school and get a mediocre HOPE that keeps them out. If the WISC confirms "bright" locally, that may be fine.
Anonymous
05/04/2025 22:08
Subject: Include wisc score lower than 130?
OP. NO. Anything that is not even 140 or above, I'd exclude. Hate to burst the bubble but the WISC above 120 but below 130 means your child is above average but not gifted in the sense that it would be beneficial for you to include it.
Anonymous
04/25/2025 01:46
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
What are all the subscores and what was the child's cogat, nnat, hope, etc.? People can't advise you if you are not providing a clear picture of your child. If the WISC is low relative to other test scores, probably leave out.
Very High Cogat , very high nnat, extremely high FRI, wisc nearer to 130. 2 of the subscores that are not counted are the only ones less than 90 . iready math is 95+, HOPE has 50% sometimes and 40% rarely. Kid is toooo shy - there is no way any teacher(or anyone) would identify this kid out from a group. Multilingual & English is not dominant yet .. so VCI and iready lang is less than 90%. Per admin all correct in PSI though ranked at 50.
I would include the WISC. The AAP center likely has math/science programs or resources not available at the base school. You could argue that your kid needs access to these.
Is your kid listed as ESOL? If your kid isn't fluent in English, I'd focus on that as the reason for lower verbal scores as well as the lower HOPE scores.
Yes, kid is in ESOL. Where do I argue/write these ? is there a place in the appeal form to write this personal request?
Also if kid is in ESOL and low in verbal scores, wouldnt that be considered negative to be in full time AAP program?
Thanks for answering.
You just write a letter explaining why your kid's needs cannot be met in the regular classroom. Include it with the appeal. ESOL status can explain why a kid could be gifted but not yet showing it in the classroom. If your child has had an upward trend in iready percentiles (like 50th percentile at the start of 1st grade, and 80th now), you could argue that your child is making tremendous progress with gaining fluency. You could also argue that your child is less likely to raise their hand and more inclined to be shy due to language issues. Include some strong work samples with your letter. There were several kids in my child's AAP classroom receiving ESOL services.
Depending on how high the CogAT Q and WISC FRI scores are, the kid might be eligible for 6th grade Algebra. If that's something available at your center but not at the base school, you could also argue that your child's needs in math cannot be met at the base school. They're looking for a CogAT Q score of 145 or higher.
Yes for iready upward trend.. gained 20 %
School admin. not helpful/encouraging.
With the data points you provided, kid is eligible for 6thgrade algebra.
I have to look for strong work samples now.
Thanks for the info.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 16:11
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
What are all the subscores and what was the child's cogat, nnat, hope, etc.? People can't advise you if you are not providing a clear picture of your child. If the WISC is low relative to other test scores, probably leave out.
Very High Cogat , very high nnat, extremely high FRI, wisc nearer to 130. 2 of the subscores that are not counted are the only ones less than 90 . iready math is 95+, HOPE has 50% sometimes and 40% rarely. Kid is toooo shy - there is no way any teacher(or anyone) would identify this kid out from a group. Multilingual & English is not dominant yet .. so VCI and iready lang is less than 90%. Per admin all correct in PSI though ranked at 50.
I would include the WISC. The AAP center likely has math/science programs or resources not available at the base school. You could argue that your kid needs access to these.
Is your kid listed as ESOL? If your kid isn't fluent in English, I'd focus on that as the reason for lower verbal scores as well as the lower HOPE scores.
Yes, kid is in ESOL. Where do I argue/write these ? is there a place in the appeal form to write this personal request?
Also if kid is in ESOL and low in verbal scores, wouldnt that be considered negative to be in full time AAP program?
Thanks for answering.
You just write a letter explaining why your kid's needs cannot be met in the regular classroom. Include it with the appeal. ESOL status can explain why a kid could be gifted but not yet showing it in the classroom. If your child has had an upward trend in iready percentiles (like 50th percentile at the start of 1st grade, and 80th now), you could argue that your child is making tremendous progress with gaining fluency. You could also argue that your child is less likely to raise their hand and more inclined to be shy due to language issues. Include some strong work samples with your letter. There were several kids in my child's AAP classroom receiving ESOL services.
Depending on how high the CogAT Q and WISC FRI scores are, the kid might be eligible for 6th grade Algebra. If that's something available at your center but not at the base school, you could also argue that your child's needs in math cannot be met at the base school. They're looking for a CogAT Q score of 145 or higher.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:18
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
What are all the subscores and what was the child's cogat, nnat, hope, etc.? People can't advise you if you are not providing a clear picture of your child. If the WISC is low relative to other test scores, probably leave out.
Very High Cogat , very high nnat, extremely high FRI, wisc nearer to 130. 2 of the subscores that are not counted are the only ones less than 90 . iready math is 95+, HOPE has 50% sometimes and 40% rarely. Kid is toooo shy - there is no way any teacher(or anyone) would identify this kid out from a group. Multilingual & English is not dominant yet .. so VCI and iready lang is less than 90%. Per admin all correct in PSI though ranked at 50.
I would include the WISC. The AAP center likely has math/science programs or resources not available at the base school. You could argue that your kid needs access to these.
Is your kid listed as ESOL? If your kid isn't fluent in English, I'd focus on that as the reason for lower verbal scores as well as the lower HOPE scores.
Yes, kid is in ESOL. Where do I argue/write these ? is there a place in the appeal form to write this personal request?
Also if kid is in ESOL and low in verbal scores, wouldnt that be considered negative to be in full time AAP program?
Thanks for answering.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 12:31
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
What are all the subscores and what was the child's cogat, nnat, hope, etc.? People can't advise you if you are not providing a clear picture of your child. If the WISC is low relative to other test scores, probably leave out.
Very High Cogat , very high nnat, extremely high FRI, wisc nearer to 130. 2 of the subscores that are not counted are the only ones less than 90 . iready math is 95+, HOPE has 50% sometimes and 40% rarely. Kid is toooo shy - there is no way any teacher(or anyone) would identify this kid out from a group. Multilingual & English is not dominant yet .. so VCI and iready lang is less than 90%. Per admin all correct in PSI though ranked at 50.
I would include the WISC. The AAP center likely has math/science programs or resources not available at the base school. You could argue that your kid needs access to these.
Is your kid listed as ESOL? If your kid isn't fluent in English, I'd focus on that as the reason for lower verbal scores as well as the lower HOPE scores.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 11:34
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
What are all the subscores and what was the child's cogat, nnat, hope, etc.? People can't advise you if you are not providing a clear picture of your child. If the WISC is low relative to other test scores, probably leave out.
Very High Cogat , very high nnat, extremely high FRI, wisc nearer to 130. 2 of the subscores that are not counted are the only ones less than 90 . iready math is 95+, HOPE has 50% sometimes and 40% rarely. Kid is toooo shy - there is no way any teacher(or anyone) would identify this kid out from a group. Multilingual & English is not dominant yet .. so VCI and iready lang is less than 90%. Per admin all correct in PSI though ranked at 50.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 07:01
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
Ask the administrator to calculate it
Anonymous
04/24/2025 06:45
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
My understanding is that they don’t typically calculate the GAI unless there’s a substantial discrepancy between the FSIQ and the GAI. My child’s FSIQ was 129. The FSIQ was brought down by an average PSI. The administrator said my child had a low processing speed because he priorities accuracy over speed and took his time not to make any mistakes. The administrator felt the GAI (133) was more accurate for him, because it doesn’t include the PSI.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 06:34
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
What are all the subscores and what was the child's cogat, nnat, hope, etc.? People can't advise you if you are not providing a clear picture of your child. If the WISC is low relative to other test scores, probably leave out.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 01:11
Subject: Re:Include wisc score lower than 130?
NP : I wasn't provided GAI, only FSIQ. where do we see GAI? DS has extremely high FRI and average PSI. FSIQ slightly less than 130. Should I submit WISC?
Anonymous
04/23/2025 13:17
Subject: Include wisc score lower than 130?
Anonymous wrote:It depends on the individual CogAT and WISC subscores and what the weaknesses were in the original application. I'd submit a WISC below 130 if the GAI is 130+ or if either the VCI or FRI are impressively high.
I'd also consider submitting a lower WISC if the main weakness is the HOPE score, and the WISC provides some explanation, like poor processing speed or an auditory processing issue.
You'll have to be specific with scores if you want solid advice.
NP just curious, why these two?
Anonymous
04/23/2025 11:35
Subject: Include wisc score lower than 130?
It depends on the individual CogAT and WISC subscores and what the weaknesses were in the original application. I'd submit a WISC below 130 if the GAI is 130+ or if either the VCI or FRI are impressively high.
I'd also consider submitting a lower WISC if the main weakness is the HOPE score, and the WISC provides some explanation, like poor processing speed or an auditory processing issue.
You'll have to be specific with scores if you want solid advice.
I'd also consider submitting a lower WISC if the main weakness is the HOPE score, and the WISC provides some explanation, like poor processing speed or an auditory processing issue.
You'll have to be specific with scores if you want solid advice.
Anonymous
04/23/2025 11:26
Subject: Include wisc score lower than 130?
Just wanted to have a quick sense about wisc here, assuming that FSIQ 130+ should be the minimum score to work it out better for appeal, by reading most threads.
If it is lower than FSIQ 130+ and also than cogat score, then would it be better not to include in appeal packet?
Thanks for your responses!
If it is lower than FSIQ 130+ and also than cogat score, then would it be better not to include in appeal packet?
Thanks for your responses!