Many of those RIFed yesterday reported that their PMAP scores were incorrect in their notices.

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Anonymous wrote:How are offices defined for RIFs? Still confused about this.

Pretty much the whole group under one supervisor. Different agencies probably have different names, but it can be any functional group.

How would that work in an agency like the Forest Service when each forest has employees with different responsibilities? Probably the Park Service as well. Surely they cannot RIF all the employees assigned to one park or one forest. Would doge just rif every biologist or ecologist or trail maintenance employee across the Forest Service?

Why not? It goes into disrepair and then you claim govt isn't working and you need to privatize it. Or sell rights to mine/log etc.

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Anonymous wrote:How are offices defined for RIFs? Still confused about this.

Pretty much the whole group under one supervisor. Different agencies probably have different names, but it can be any functional group.

How would that work in an agency like the Forest Service when each forest has employees with different responsibilities? Probably the Park Service as well. Surely they cannot RIF all the employees assigned to one park or one forest. Would doge just rif every biologist or ecologist or trail maintenance employee across the Forest Service?

We are learning that the other show has not yet dropped. Based on the infrastructure they cancelled and the leadership they forced out (2-3 levels below cabinet) they are planning significant reorganization, presumably with lackeys installed to effect major policy changes. I expect a return to the essentially unregulated era like pre-FDR.

They cancelled operations, administration, all library staff, and (announced today) the entire in house learning & professional development division. Whether any of this will be reorganized under an equally functional but duplicative structure remains to be seen.

What people don’t understand is that the system was highly functional. Any functional system contains some redundancy, that is to be expected; a healthy amount of redundancy prevents crises should one piece have a problem.

Anonymous wrote:How are offices defined for RIFs? Still confused about this.

Pretty much the whole group under one supervisor. Different agencies probably have different names, but it can be any functional group.

Anonymous wrote:I work at VHA. My boss took the fork and now I am the only person at the facility who does my function. Will this help me at all? Otherwise I have nothing going for me…not involved directly in patient care, not a Veteran, still conditional.

Based on my agency, they don't care if you are a veteran or have years of service even. Post fork it's all about job titles.

I work at VHA. My boss took the fork and now I am the only person at the facility who does my function. Will this help me at all? Otherwise I have nothing going for me…not involved directly in patient care, not a Veteran, still conditional.

Oh, and usually they show up the week before and start harassing the staff that may be on the potential upcoming RIF list.

At my dhs agency that included asking people what job functions they had if they went outside to have lunch or walk during lunch; also patrolling the halls near offices to see if someone left a computer logged in while they when to the bathroom. Things like that.

They are not following RIF rules.

They aren't incentivizing retirement like they could.

They are eliminating particular job functions / titles / divisions and don't care about employees performance.

Anonymous wrote:They’re circumventing traditional RIF rules by wiping out entire offices. It won’t save you whether you’ve been there 2 years or 20 years. Capriciousness and cruelty seems to be the point.

^^ Other than that they have no interest in efficiency or savings or quality or expertise or maintaining a functioning agency (which should've been obvious from the last several weeks), this is the main point. They are not going to do a normal RIF. They've found a "clever" way around it. So all the worry about preferences and so on-- doesn't matter.

How are offices defined for RIFs? Still confused about this.

Anonymous wrote:They’re circumventing traditional RIF rules by wiping out entire offices. It won’t save you whether you’ve been there 2 years or 20 years. Capriciousness and cruelty seems to be the point.

This. If they eliminate the entire office they don’t have to deal with reviews and ratings, so smaller sized offices are on chopping blocks first.

Yes, based on HHS it’s all about division or office titles.

They’re circumventing traditional RIF rules by wiping out entire offices. It won’t save you whether you’ve been there 2 years or 20 years. Capriciousness and cruelty seems to be the point.

This is for agencies that haven't had RIFs happen. What are we learning? Are they following the RIF procedures? Paying severance? Are people always placed on admin leave for 60 days? Is it always entire divisions axed or are they going by seniority in some cases?