Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

The laws are being followed whether you like them or not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

OK, so here's this explainer on qualified immunity: https://www.naacpldf.org/qualified-immunity/

"Qualified immunity has protected law enforcement officers and other government officials from being held accountable when they violate people’s constitutional rights for decades. The doctrine of qualified immunity allows state and local officials to avoid personal consequences related to their professional interactions unless they violate “clearly established law” and has been repeatedly used by police officers to escape accountability and civil liability for engaging in violent and abusive acts against the public. In practice, this often means that, unless there’s a case with nearly identical facts on the record, these officials can violate a person’s rights without being held personally responsible for their actions."

If a judge orders an officer not to do something, then they do it - it seems like that probably wouldn't be protected?

That sounds right. And I think law enforcement is required to identify itself. And it can’t be legal for law enforcement to act extrajudicially.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

OK, so here's this explainer on qualified immunity: https://www.naacpldf.org/qualified-immunity/

"Qualified immunity has protected law enforcement officers and other government officials from being held accountable when they violate people’s constitutional rights for decades. The doctrine of qualified immunity allows state and local officials to avoid personal consequences related to their professional interactions unless they violate “clearly established law” and has been repeatedly used by police officers to escape accountability and civil liability for engaging in violent and abusive acts against the public. In practice, this often means that, unless there’s a case with nearly identical facts on the record, these officials can violate a person’s rights without being held personally responsible for their actions."

If a judge orders an officer not to do something, then they do it - it seems like that probably wouldn't be protected?

Anonymous wrote:A judge in Boston is holding a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in contempt after he detained a suspect while the man was on trial.

ICE agent Brian Sullivan grabbed Wilson Martell-Lebron last week as he was leaving court for lunch. He was in the middle of a trial for falsifying a drivers license application. Because LeBron was denied to a fair trial the judge had to dismiss the case.

“It's a case of violating a defendant's right to present at trial and confront witnesses against him," Judge Mark Summerville said from the bench. “It couldn't be more serious.”

LeBron’s attorney said “There is no greater injustice in my mind than the government arresting someone, without identifying themselves, and preventing them from exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to a jury trial.”

Two district attorneys in Massachusetts sued the federal government in 2019 seeking to prevent arrests at courthouses but dropped the case when former President Joe Biden took office. Who knew the cockroaches would be back.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

OK, so here's this explainer on qualified immunity: https://www.naacpldf.org/qualified-immunity/

"Qualified immunity has protected law enforcement officers and other government officials from being held accountable when they violate people’s constitutional rights for decades. The doctrine of qualified immunity allows state and local officials to avoid personal consequences related to their professional interactions unless they violate “clearly established law” and has been repeatedly used by police officers to escape accountability and civil liability for engaging in violent and abusive acts against the public. In practice, this often means that, unless there’s a case with nearly identical facts on the record, these officials can violate a person’s rights without being held personally responsible for their actions."

If a judge orders an officer not to do something, then they do it - it seems like that probably wouldn't be protected?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

Maybe this is exactly why they are wearing masks. The claim it is for fear of retribution from people but maybe it is to escape justice. We all know everyone else will use the amnesia defense. Trump has made forgetfulness and managerial incompetence cool again.

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?