Anonymous wrote:Most everyone aims too high these days, due to an inflated sense of self worth, due to poor parenting and participation trophy culture.

So many inflated meaningless job titles. Orgs where almost everyone is an assistant director or VP who think it’s beneath them to do actual work.

No, that’s incel nonsense.

In terms of top 20% of men, I am at 19.99%. just made the cut. But seriously, I know a fair number of good looking, successful career women. Most are married to guys who are reasonably attractive and very supportive. Few if any are married to a superstud who is 6'2", ripped, and went to an Ivy. Some of these women were single for a long time and value a person who can be loyal and there for the rough times.

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Anonymous wrote:Just depends on the market. Sometimes when we post a job there are tons of qualified applicants and we can take our pick. Sometimes we post multiple times trying to find qualified people and end up lowering expectations and hiring someone with less qualifications than what we really want.

It's important to note that in our org for EEO reasons, we can never hire someone less qualified than what we post as minimum qualifications in the job posting. That means what we post in the job description is lower than what we're actually hoping to hire (so we have the flexibility to hire someone with less-than-hoped-for qualifications if we have to).

Interesting, especially because I've read time and again about applying to jobs where you meet 50% or so of the requirements..

Postings have both Minimum/Required and Desired qualifications, as also lots of HR people are dumb.

Anonymous wrote:Most everyone aims too high these days, due to an inflated sense of self worth, due to poor parenting and participation trophy culture.

I think no one had gotten proper advice. Way way back in 1980s my professor told me look up the people in senior mgt who have the job you want one day. Then look at their qualifications and get them before you reach the age to get that job.

In my case it was MBA, Big 4, be on a non paid board or two, business degree undergrad, a few name brand companies on resume, speak at conferences to get name out and join some industry groups. And get rock solid business experience.

Today I get Strayer on line MBA and a LinkedIn Learning badge and unreal aspirations.

Most everyone aims too high these days, due to an inflated sense of self worth, due to poor parenting and participation trophy culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Just depends on the market. Sometimes when we post a job there are tons of qualified applicants and we can take our pick. Sometimes we post multiple times trying to find qualified people and end up lowering expectations and hiring someone with less qualifications than what we really want.

It's important to note that in our org for EEO reasons, we can never hire someone less qualified than what we post as minimum qualifications in the job posting. That means what we post in the job description is lower than what we're actually hoping to hire (so we have the flexibility to hire someone with less-than-hoped-for qualifications if we have to).

Interesting, especially because I've read time and again about applying to jobs where you meet 50% or so of the requirements..

Some jobs even say in the job description itself to apply even if you're not a perfect candidate!

Anonymous wrote:Just depends on the market. Sometimes when we post a job there are tons of qualified applicants and we can take our pick. Sometimes we post multiple times trying to find qualified people and end up lowering expectations and hiring someone with less qualifications than what we really want.

It's important to note that in our org for EEO reasons, we can never hire someone less qualified than what we post as minimum qualifications in the job posting. That means what we post in the job description is lower than what we're actually hoping to hire (so we have the flexibility to hire someone with less-than-hoped-for qualifications if we have to).

Interesting, especially because I've read time and again about applying to jobs where you meet 50% or so of the requirements..

They aim high, but in the end, they get what they get. The answer is: apply anyway.

Same with colleges, which is why, if USNWR ranks a school in the top 20, applications will quadruple, but only 20% of them will be qualified, and only 6% will get a spot. But the rejected applicants will attend elsewhere.

In any case the "80/20 rule" for men is just wrong; women accept a wide range of men. The perception is created by the reality that men who believe in that silly "rule" only want 10% of available women, and those just happen to not be the ones looking at them.

Not dissimilar to the parent who claims their kid got "shut out" of colleges, when they actually have eight acceptances from great colleges not in the top 20.

Anonymous wrote:I bet it goes both ways in that 80% of job seekers want the top 20% of jobs. Anecdotal experience from job searching but pay for the same role can vary wildly from company to company.

That is true. My last posting I got like 80 percent completely unqualified people. You would think hiring practices would be more scientific in 2025.

I bet it goes both ways in that 80% of job seekers want the top 20% of jobs. Anecdotal experience from job searching but pay for the same role can vary wildly from company to company.

Just depends on the market. Sometimes when we post a job there are tons of qualified applicants and we can take our pick. Sometimes we post multiple times trying to find qualified people and end up lowering expectations and hiring someone with less qualifications than what we really want.

It's important to note that in our org for EEO reasons, we can never hire someone less qualified than what we post as minimum qualifications in the job posting. That means what we post in the job description is lower than what we're actually hoping to hire (so we have the flexibility to hire someone with less-than-hoped-for qualifications if we have to).

Single men claim 80 percent of women want the top 20 percent of men which leads to an imbalanced ratio.

Is it the same job hunting? It seems a business puts an average job up let’s say staff level accountant or auditor.

Then they want a CPA, MBA, top school, prior name brand company, well dressed, good looking, outgoing, smart person.

If such people exist they have multiple offers.

Yet mediocre companies with average pay still want the top 20 percent?

Why is that? It is so illogical.