Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 21:25     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:then, the possibility is the division will be left with a few older folks, losing younger high performers. is that what the managers want? is government efficiency achieved?


We got plenty of young low performers and older high performers. Age alone is not the only factor. And that’s how the process works. If you want older workers out, the Fork offer is as good as it gets.


It’s not though. The older workers get more severance with a RIF due to more time in service and being older.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 21:10     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:then, the possibility is the division will be left with a few older folks, losing younger high performers. is that what the managers want? is government efficiency achieved?


We got plenty of young low performers and older high performers. Age alone is not the only factor. And that’s how the process works. If you want older workers out, the Fork offer is as good as it gets.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 21:07     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
then, the possibility is the division will be left with a few older folks, losing younger high performers. is that what the managers want? is government efficiency achieved?
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 21:01     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The RIP regs will give more retention credits for those who've been in federal service longer, so seniority almost always wins in general


But will senority matter much if they target specific parts of an agency to cut rather than doing an agency wide cut? Can they just say, hey, let's cut all of the training dept, RIF them all, couldn't they do this to get rid of a lot of people at one time?


Those folks who got cut will have bumping rights in many cases. And that’s where things get complicated
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 20:58     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:The RIP regs will give more retention credits for those who've been in federal service longer, so seniority almost always wins in general


But will senority matter much if they target specific parts of an agency to cut rather than doing an agency wide cut? Can they just say, hey, let's cut all of the training dept, RIF them all, couldn't they do this to get rid of a lot of people at one time?
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 20:38     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
The RIP regs will give more retention credits for those who've been in federal service longer, so seniority almost always wins in general
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 20:23     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Normal RIF process is complicated and takes time to implement. Somehow I don’t think this will be a normal RIF when it happens


They have to follow the law. They'll just keep getting sued until they follow the law.


True but it’s going to be really annoying for a while until the lawsuits correct things.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 20:22     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
The process is outlined below but they’ll do whatever they want.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 20:21     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:Normal RIF process is complicated and takes time to implement. Somehow I don’t think this will be a normal RIF when it happens


They have to follow the law. They'll just keep getting sued until they follow the law.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 20:20     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
This outlines the process:
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/

Fork never made sense to me because 8 months of pay is more generous than what everyone would get under the RIF formula.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 19:47     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Anonymous wrote:Normal RIF process is complicated and takes time to implement. Somehow I don’t think this will be a normal RIF when it happens


agreed. this one feels completely different.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 19:44     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Must be a full moon. Brings out idiots.
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 19:43     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
If you’re a loser at your job or your job is a waste of money then

RIIIIIFFFFFFF

YOU’RE GONE!
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 19:42     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
Normal RIF process is complicated and takes time to implement. Somehow I don’t think this will be a normal RIF when it happens
Anonymous
Post 02/08/2025 19:40     Subject: Can someone explain RIF process?
If they don't get enough from fork deals, probationary employees, lower performers, etc., then they will move forward with RIFs? how does that work? who decides? what do they look at to decide who stays and leaves? how much time do we have?