Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents.

Yes, this.

Not just the parents. Teachers regularly go after administrators, too. They get attacked from all sides. I don't know why anyone would want the job.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could imagine that the parent population at Wyngate in particular is very demanding and difficult. Imagine living in a DCUM MCPS forum thread, come to life, for 10-12 hours a day.

Your heart is in the right place but there are so many factors likely at play here. Principals take so much garbage from all sides, and none of those sides are willing to do the change and self-reflection necessary to notice that THEY are a big part of the problem. From their supervisors they get, "Just do your best to make 2+2=5" and from the parents they get "I deserve/my child is entitled to/how could you blah blah." It's lose-lose.

Actually it’s pretty supportive. W definitely didn’t leave due to parents — he was promoted and felt like he should take the promotion. He had a great relationship with PTA and parents. His replacement had a totally different approach and refused to engage with either the kids or the parents — didn’t know any of the kids and the kids didn’t know her, so I do think some parents complained to her and she felt unwelcome and left. I don’t know the current guy but my sense is that it was just bad luck.

I’m still irritated at McPS for offering W a promotion after he’d only been there a few years — that wasn’t really fair to the school and he’s a better fit for working with students anyway.

Hopefully the next principal will stick. I do think it’s a great school for a principal that is happy to have engaged parents volunteering for things like field day, class parties, science fair etc. the parents are very supportive of teachers and are happy to help provide whatever will make the teachers lives easier.

PP. Like I said in my above post, total lack of self-reflection. Thank you for illustrating the case exactly.

I personally know one of the admin who left wyngate . It’s the parents. They are intense, demanding and entitled. It’s exhausting and sucks the life out of the profession

Anonymous wrote:I could imagine that the parent population at Wyngate in particular is very demanding and difficult. Imagine living in a DCUM MCPS forum thread, come to life, for 10-12 hours a day.

Your heart is in the right place but there are so many factors likely at play here. Principals take so much garbage from all sides, and none of those sides are willing to do the change and self-reflection necessary to notice that THEY are a big part of the problem. From their supervisors they get, "Just do your best to make 2+2=5" and from the parents they get "I deserve/my child is entitled to/how could you blah blah." It's lose-lose.

Actually it’s pretty supportive. W definitely didn’t leave due to parents — he was promoted and felt like he should take the promotion. He had a great relationship with PTA and parents. His replacement had a totally different approach and refused to engage with either the kids or the parents — didn’t know any of the kids and the kids didn’t know her, so I do think some parents complained to her and she felt unwelcome and left. I don’t know the current guy but my sense is that it was just bad luck.

I’m still irritated at McPS for offering W a promotion after he’d only been there a few years — that wasn’t really fair to the school and he’s a better fit for working with students anyway.

Hopefully the next principal will stick. I do think it’s a great school for a principal that is happy to have engaged parents volunteering for things like field day, class parties, science fair etc. the parents are very supportive of teachers and are happy to help provide whatever will make the teachers lives easier.

Anonymous wrote:Parents.

Yes, this.

Anonymous wrote:Parents.

Yep usually this. And others simply want to do something different once they are "done" with that position or once they find out the job isn't what/how they thought it would be.

I could imagine that the parent population at Wyngate in particular is very demanding and difficult. Imagine living in a DCUM MCPS forum thread, come to life, for 10-12 hours a day.

Your heart is in the right place but there are so many factors likely at play here. Principals take so much garbage from all sides, and none of those sides are willing to do the change and self-reflection necessary to notice that THEY are a big part of the problem. From their supervisors they get, "Just do your best to make 2+2=5" and from the parents they get "I deserve/my child is entitled to/how could you blah blah." It's lose-lose.

Parents.

Anonymous wrote:You're posting on the reason right now. Parents throw so much misinformed hate at the profession, it's not worth staying.

I get that across the board, but I’m hoping for some advice to identify a specific problem and maybe improve the situation for the next principal at Wyngate ES.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a community meeting at Wyngate ES tonight about the process of finding yet another principal for the school. Whoever it is, they will be the 4th principal since Barbara Leister retired in 2016. She was there 29 years and not expecting that of anyone, but is this turnover rate normal in MCPS? If not, how do we find out what's behind it?

So 3 principals in the past 9 years? What happened to those 3 principals? If they were promoted, they just may be part of the gap filling of a lot of retirements in the past 5 years.

One took a position in Central Office HR for a couple of years, then went to be a principal at another MCPS ES. One took a position in a different MCPS ES. Last one resigned a couple of weeks ago after a death in the family.

Seems like 5-10 years is normal.

Anonymous wrote:There's a community meeting at Wyngate ES tonight about the process of finding yet another principal for the school. Whoever it is, they will be the 4th principal since Barbara Leister retired in 2016. She was there 29 years and not expecting that of anyone, but is this turnover rate normal in MCPS? If not, how do we find out what's behind it?

So 3 principals in the past 9 years? What happened to those 3 principals? If they were promoted, they just may be part of the gap filling of a lot of retirements in the past 5 years.

+1

You're posting on the reason right now. Parents throw so much misinformed hate at the profession, it's not worth staying.

There's a community meeting at Wyngate ES tonight about the process of finding yet another principal for the school. Whoever it is, they will be the 4th principal since Barbara Leister retired in 2016. She was there 29 years and not expecting that of anyone, but is this turnover rate normal in MCPS? If not, how do we find out what's behind it?