Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 17:38     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

More people than ever can afford an elite education? Really? I think a lot of people are reevaluating the ROI on pricey schools.

The top 30 and top 20 LACs are pretty affordable for the majority of American families. There’s that weird upper middle class bumper where it’s difficult, but schools are working on it and that represents a pretty small sliver of American families.


The donut hole (families with HHI between the 80th and 99th percentiles) may only represent 19% of American families, but they represent 50% of all students meeting both college-ready benchmarks on the SAT (ERW 480, Math 530). And the higher you draw the academic line, the bigger the proportion of American students who come from donut hole families. If you are talking about American students qualified for selective colleges, the donut hole is not a weird wrinkle in the college market—for all intents and purposes it is the college market.


You might convince me to go up to the 95th percentile but once a family is making $300K per year they are on there own. I'm well off and want to be generous but I'm not interested in subsidizing families making $300K. They have choices that they can make to accomodate any college.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 17:24     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students


What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.


Correction: Most of American history (1600s to the 1970s or so), African Americans were banned from succeeding in certain areas, barriers is not a strong enough word, and most other groups in your contrived POC coalition have not been here long enough to be included in a "most of American history" conversation.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 17:14     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

More people than ever can afford an elite education? Really? I think a lot of people are reevaluating the ROI on pricey schools.

The top 30 and top 20 LACs are pretty affordable for the majority of American families. There’s that weird upper middle class bumper where it’s difficult, but schools are working on it and that represents a pretty small sliver of American families.


The donut hole (families with HHI between the 80th and 99th percentiles) may only represent 19% of American families, but they represent 50% of all students meeting both college-ready benchmarks on the SAT (ERW 480, Math 530). And the higher you draw the academic line, the bigger the proportion of American students who come from donut hole families. If you are talking about American students qualified for selective colleges, the donut hole is not a weird wrinkle in the college market—for all intents and purposes it is the college market.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 17:03     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students


What is "racial elite"?

Most of American history, it was unthinkable that many people of color could reach the top and succeed; there were so many barriers. We have removed a ton and now we have a much more racially diverse elite class. It’s that simple.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 17:02     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The donut holes will get squeezed more. Tuition will never drop. It might stabilize for a bit. The top schools are already offering free tuition for families less than $150k or $200k (depending on school).

A few have touted offering it free to everyone in the future--Hopkins, Princeton. Imagine coming out with 100ks of $ in loans when the kids 3 years after you go for free. What a bite in the *ss that would be.


That happened to me. My parents were low earners but not so low that I qualified for grants. Several years after graduation, my alma mater announced free tuition for families earning an income well over what my parents earned. I’m grateful for the opportunities I had but the sacrifices my parents had to make for their contribution and that I had to make for my loans were quite significant compared to the advantages fellow alumni a few years younger received. Hopefully they don’t pull the legacy rug out from under me before it can give my children a tiny boost!

Hopefully they rush to take away legacy. It’s time to stop the nonsense and have a fair admissions system. Sucks that you didn’t enter in a time when things were fairer but we need to stop this foolishness.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 17:01     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students


What is "racial elite"?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:59     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:The donut holes will get squeezed more. Tuition will never drop. It might stabilize for a bit. The top schools are already offering free tuition for families less than $150k or $200k (depending on school).

A few have touted offering it free to everyone in the future--Hopkins, Princeton. Imagine coming out with 100ks of $ in loans when the kids 3 years after you go for free. What a bite in the *ss that would be.


That happened to me. My parents were low earners but not so low that I qualified for grants. Several years after graduation, my alma mater announced free tuition for families earning an income well over what my parents earned. I’m grateful for the opportunities I had but the sacrifices my parents had to make for their contribution and that I had to make for my loans were quite significant compared to the advantages fellow alumni a few years younger received. Hopefully they don’t pull the legacy rug out from under me before it can give my children a tiny boost!
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:56     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

More people than ever can afford an elite education? Really? I think a lot of people are reevaluating the ROI on pricey schools.

The top 30 and top 20 LACs are pretty affordable for the majority of American families. There’s that weird upper middle class bumper where it’s difficult, but schools are working on it and that represents a pretty small sliver of American families.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:55     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
The donut holes will get squeezed more. Tuition will never drop. It might stabilize for a bit. The top schools are already offering free tuition for families less than $150k or $200k (depending on school).

A few have touted offering it free to everyone in the future--Hopkins, Princeton. Imagine coming out with 100ks of $ in loans when the kids 3 years after you go for free. What a bite in the *ss that would be.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:53     Subject: demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Top 100 schools wont suffer…..everybody else will
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:53     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students

More people than ever can afford an elite education? Really? I think a lot of people are reevaluating the ROI on pricey schools.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:51     Subject: demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
Anonymous wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/the-impact-of-this-is-economic-decline/

15% decrease in college attendance in decade before covid.

10% decrease in 18 year olds in next decade.

Colleges will see more pressure to lower prices. Students will see less pressure In admissions.

The oligarchs are terrified of losing their wage slaves.

Yeah I don’t see that happening. My guess is that the number of spots for international applicants will increase. I wish it would slow down price increases and help with admissions but I doubt it.
I do think that colleges esp. not top ones will need to figure something out. Maybe consolidate schools or offer online degrees?
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:48     Subject: Re:demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
The top is actually doing great. Most diverse economic and racial elite we’ve had in history. Students are all qualified to attend, maybe their stats are different but they all have the academic potential to excel. More people than ever can afford an elite education.

At the lower level, state schools are taking control over the lost lac applicants and rising costs of college. A lot of state schools are serving a different and expanded range of students
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:43     Subject: demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
More schools will suffer than won't but the top, maybe 100 - 150 universities won't have too many issues.
Anonymous
Post 01/08/2025 16:37     Subject: demographics chipping away at college industrial complex
https://hechingerreport.org/the-impact-of-this-is-economic-decline/

15% decrease in college attendance in decade before covid.

10% decrease in 18 year olds in next decade.

Colleges will see more pressure to lower prices. Students will see less pressure In admissions.

The oligarchs are terrified of losing their wage slaves.