Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 10:21     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?



Is VALLS meaningful for kids at the top? Is it actually being used this way? Doesn’t a strong VALLS simply mean a kid can read?

I think VALLS is a good indicator for finding kids in need of reading intervention. It seems like a poor screener, on the other hand, to determine actual reading ability. My impression is that it wasn’t intended for that use, anyhow.


**By “determine reading ability” I mean how well a child can read as opposed to identifying simply whether that child can read.


I honestly think nobody knows since it's new this year. I remember our teacher discussing the VALLSS and he said it measures reading comprehension too. Getting back to the question of low V, I think a kid with the "low" V of 120 and over 700 VALLSS will be fine.


The comprehension part is auditory. That’s a proxy for reading comprehension, not actual reading comprehension.

I agree you are likely right that the specific child discussed here will be fine. As a parent, it feels frustrating that iready reading has been replaced by a tool that doesn’t have much of a gradient at the top.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 10:13     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?



Is VALLS meaningful for kids at the top? Is it actually being used this way? Doesn’t a strong VALLS simply mean a kid can read?

I think VALLS is a good indicator for finding kids in need of reading intervention. It seems like a poor screener, on the other hand, to determine actual reading ability. My impression is that it wasn’t intended for that use, anyhow.


It was not intended as anything but a screener to make sure kids can read, but iReady is not intended to be anything but a screener, either. iReady was used last year, so I assume VAALS will be used this year. Cue eye roll.


I think the VALLS primary "result" is high, moderate or low risk of "developing" a reading "difficulty," though there is a numerical result too. My kid got a low risk rating with a number score of 690 (max=720). (I think she'll do fine on CogAT V, though FCPS hasn't shared that with us yet.)
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 10:09     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?



Is VALLS meaningful for kids at the top? Is it actually being used this way? Doesn’t a strong VALLS simply mean a kid can read?

I think VALLS is a good indicator for finding kids in need of reading intervention. It seems like a poor screener, on the other hand, to determine actual reading ability. My impression is that it wasn’t intended for that use, anyhow.


**By “determine reading ability” I mean how well a child can read as opposed to identifying simply whether that child can read.


I honestly think nobody knows since it's new this year. I remember our teacher discussing the VALLSS and he said it measures reading comprehension too. Getting back to the question of low V, I think a kid with the "low" V of 120 and over 700 VALLSS will be fine.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 10:03     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?



Is VALLS meaningful for kids at the top? Is it actually being used this way? Doesn’t a strong VALLS simply mean a kid can read?

I think VALLS is a good indicator for finding kids in need of reading intervention. It seems like a poor screener, on the other hand, to determine actual reading ability. My impression is that it wasn’t intended for that use, anyhow.


It was not intended as anything but a screener to make sure kids can read, but iReady is not intended to be anything but a screener, either. iReady was used last year, so I assume VAALS will be used this year. Cue eye roll.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 10:02     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?



Is VALLS meaningful for kids at the top? Is it actually being used this way? Doesn’t a strong VALLS simply mean a kid can read?

I think VALLS is a good indicator for finding kids in need of reading intervention. It seems like a poor screener, on the other hand, to determine actual reading ability. My impression is that it wasn’t intended for that use, anyhow.


**By “determine reading ability” I mean how well a child can read as opposed to identifying simply whether that child can read.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 10:00     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?



Is VALLS meaningful for kids at the top? Is it actually being used this way? Doesn’t a strong VALLS simply mean a kid can read?

I think VALLS is a good indicator for finding kids in need of reading intervention. It seems like a poor screener, on the other hand, to determine actual reading ability. My impression is that it wasn’t intended for that use, anyhow.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 09:45     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am curious to hear what would be considered "weak" and "strong" here. My kid's "relative weakness" in the report is V with the score of 128.


Yeah, are we talking 130 and 100? 130 and 80? 145 and 130? 140 and 130?

I would guess all of those profiles have different implications



My kid would have no chance vs. the 145 and weak 130
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 09:40     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:I am curious to hear what would be considered "weak" and "strong" here. My kid's "relative weakness" in the report is V with the score of 128.


Yeah, are we talking 130 and 100? 130 and 80? 145 and 130? 140 and 130?

I would guess all of those profiles have different implications

Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 09:09     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
I am curious to hear what would be considered "weak" and "strong" here. My kid's "relative weakness" in the report is V with the score of 128.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 08:58     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


I am not sure if I agree because there are also other data points. Kid can also have a weak V but strong VALLSS.

What would be a weak V?
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 08:45     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.


Strong Q but weak V suggests that the student belongs in Advanced Math and Level 3 instead of full time AAP. This is not a sure thing though. The review process is holistic.
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 08:24     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anonymous wrote:Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.

*** typo: instead of
Anonymous
Post 12/22/2024 08:23     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Q and V are important. Strong Q, but weak V suggests that the kid belongs in Level 3 instantly of full term AAP.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 16:31     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
I wouldn't think one would be more important than the others. It's just a piece of information about each student's relative strengths and weaknesses.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 16:24     Subject: Cogat Score VQN vs. quantitative battery
Anyone knows which one is more important: composite (VQN) or the quantitative battery? My did relatively ok overall but his quant is much stronger than the other 2 so I am wondering if his quant score will help him.