If you're not cheating, you're not trying...

Anonymous wrote:The answer to this is blue book exams handwritten.

For multiple sections, have different questions.

Agree. It's out of control and school isn't doing anything to end it. Kids don't want to snark on classmates, so their cheating now too. It's infuriating.

Anonymous wrote:Girl with 504 at my kid's school selling AP Gov tests for $40 a pop. Handed in a burner phone, then went to take her test untimed in the library. Googled the answers, filled them in, took pics of the finished product, and then sold them. I only know because my child is angry with how the teacher is punishing everyone - no more retakes is the big thing. I guess they initially were allowed one retake for a bad grade and he was saving that option, but now it's gone. Haven't heard a thing from the school. I know they should protect the cheaters' privacy (at the end of the day, they're just kids who made a huge mistake and it shouldn't be the end of the world for them) but when there are ramifications for my son, I'd like to be informed.

BS, cheaters of this magnitude should not be protected. This affects all the kids who didn't cheat. Cheating is not a huge mistake when it's being monetized. And the school should put this on her permanent school record.

Anonymous wrote:The answer to this is blue book exams handwritten.

For multiple sections, have different questions.

This is still happening! Thankfully. My child’s private high school in DC.

Girl with 504 at my kid's school selling AP Gov tests for $40 a pop. Handed in a burner phone, then went to take her test untimed in the library. Googled the answers, filled them in, took pics of the finished product, and then sold them. I only know because my child is angry with how the teacher is punishing everyone - no more retakes is the big thing. I guess they initially were allowed one retake for a bad grade and he was saving that option, but now it's gone. Haven't heard a thing from the school. I know they should protect the cheaters' privacy (at the end of the day, they're just kids who made a huge mistake and it shouldn't be the end of the world for them) but when there are ramifications for my son, I'd like to be informed.

Anonymous wrote:DS is in his first year of college and was shocked at the fact that both his Physics and Chem professors in college handed out formula sheets during all exams. He said his favorite part about college so far is that it's not based on "useless bleeping memorization" which DS is terrible at.

The text I got was: MOM! You'll never believe this! My Physics professor gives us a formula cheat sheet. He told us he was going to but I didn't believe him so I still memorized as many as I could. I thought I was cooked, bro, but he's a real one. He said memorizing a formula doesn't count for anything in the real world if you can't use it to produce a result.

And DS' grades in his math and science courses have never been higher. He can do the work and knows how to use the formulas; he could just never remember all the formulas.

That’s great for your son, but this isn’t how kids are cheating in high school. They aren’t bringing in formulas. They are taking photos of test with cell phones they snuck in to share with each other or they are looking up answers on cell phones hidden on the internet.

DS is in his first year of college and was shocked at the fact that both his Physics and Chem professors in college handed out formula sheets during all exams. He said his favorite part about college so far is that it's not based on "useless bleeping memorization" which DS is terrible at.

The text I got was: MOM! You'll never believe this! My Physics professor gives us a formula cheat sheet. He told us he was going to but I didn't believe him so I still memorized as many as I could. I thought I was cooked, bro, but he's a real one. He said memorizing a formula doesn't count for anything in the real world if you can't use it to produce a result.

And DS' grades in his math and science courses have never been higher. He can do the work and knows how to use the formulas; he could just never remember all the formulas.

The answer to this is blue book exams handwritten.

For multiple sections, have different questions.

Anonymous wrote:There only seem to be 2 teachers at my DD's LCPS high school that take cheating seriously (Chemistry and Calc teachers). Both told students that if caught, they will reach out to prospective colleges and send letters to alert them of the cheating.

DD says "almost everyone" is cheating. Not sure how true that is. She named at least a dozen different ways and people she knows who regularly cheat. One that I found interesting was an A+ student who used Meta glasses to take photos of an exam. DD said he had a partner who verified his answers, and they sold the answers to the later periods.

RVA public and, yes, it is very widespread but mostly for their own personal gain rather than "selling" answers to the subsequent classes. The students seem most interested in or know they are competing against their classmates for grades and rank.

The Meta glasses is a new one! LOL....I'll ask ours to see if that one's been pulled yet.

The DE instructors have the right approach for their classes -- most everything is open book/open note and they have multiple test versions with lots of short-answer questions or essays -- just like it is in a lot of "real" college courses. They also run answers through plagiarism-checkers. The AP teachers take cheating seriously and, if caught (which, sadly, is rare) the kids are drummed out of class and barred from taking the exam. The IB teachers are the ones most in denial and where it really runs wild. And the Gen Ed teachers? Just trying to keep their heads above water.

Not sure what The Answer is. But, as long as there's been school and testing...there's been cheating. Technology just makes it easier to do for the kids and harder to catch for the teachers.

Anonymous wrote:There only seem to be 2 teachers at my DD's LCPS high school that take cheating seriously (Chemistry and Calc teachers). Both told students that if caught, they will reach out to prospective colleges and send letters to alert them of the cheating.

DD says "almost everyone" is cheating. Not sure how true that is. She named at least a dozen different ways and people she knows who regularly cheat. One that I found interesting was an A+ student who used Meta glasses to take photos of an exam. DD said he had a partner who verified his answers, and they sold the answers to the later periods.

Op here. That sucks. I’m sorry your kid is working under those circumstances.

There only seem to be 2 teachers at my DD's LCPS high school that take cheating seriously (Chemistry and Calc teachers). Both told students that if caught, they will reach out to prospective colleges and send letters to alert them of the cheating.

DD says "almost everyone" is cheating. Not sure how true that is. She named at least a dozen different ways and people she knows who regularly cheat. One that I found interesting was an A+ student who used Meta glasses to take photos of an exam. DD said he had a partner who verified his answers, and they sold the answers to the later periods.

Anonymous wrote:What's the punishment for cheating at your kid's nova public school? Does it go on their record? How do parents handle it? Sounds like a big problem at my kid's school but isn't being addressed. Example - kid taking pictures of a test and selling it to classmates in other sections before they take it.

It does not appear to be standard at all. Some teachers allow a re-take. Some teachers just give a zero. It sucks. My kid also says cheating is rampant.

It should all be reported centrally and tracked and after one warning, serious consequences. No one is doing these kids any favors.

What's the punishment for cheating at your kid's nova public school? Does it go on their record? How do parents handle it? Sounds like a big problem at my kid's school but isn't being addressed. Example - kid taking pictures of a test and selling it to classmates in other sections before they take it.