Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:58
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
The $30K and $15K aren't really that far apart. They just collapsed the data into fewer buckets
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:56
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Mid-career numbers for MIT pretty lackluster compared to Harvard and Penn or Stanford. or Yale or Princeton. I wonder why?
a higher percent goes to PhD/academia
Nope. It’s that engineering is a solid but not great paying career.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:52
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Brown grad with a humanities degree here. My starting salary wasn’t high (though was totally fine), but I had multiple offers and a job waiting for me at graduation. I now make $750k in an arts job that at least isn’t actively making the world worse that I didn’t have to go to grad school for. Starting salary isn’t everything.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:39
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Anonymous wrote:Mid-career numbers for MIT pretty lackluster compared to Harvard and Penn or Stanford. or Yale or Princeton. I wonder why?
a higher percent goes to PhD/academia
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:37
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Barnard not the same as Columbia.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:32
Subject: Re:Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Anonymous wrote:I thought Barnard was Columbia? People here fight tooth and nail and say they are the same.
Lol NO. Not considered the same at all by those who know and do the hiring
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:30
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Interesting list. Harvard no matter the ranking service always comes out on top.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:26
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Mine is at a school in the top list and my 2024 graduated from one in the second group—seems correct . Top schools payoff, in more ways than captured in this rubric. People who try to sat they are not worth it have never been to one and had a current student at one
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:22
Subject: Re:Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
I thought Barnard was Columbia? People here fight tooth and nail and say they are the same.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:21
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
I have an impression that these statistics are based on base salaries only, not TC. So I wouldn’t derive too much from these.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:15
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
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Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges
Datasets Used
US Department of Education College Scorecard Dataset 2019-2020
Niche (Reference Point)
Methodology
A set of schools given an A+ ranking in Academics on Niche. This is a bit subjective but the 49 research universities and 29 liberal arts colleges. From reported 2021 post-graduation income using the DoE Scorecard for each school, by major - then comparing that income with the national average income for the major. Each was indexed and ranked by a premium taken from the averaged difference between all majors and the national averages by college.
Divided colleges in to five groups:
Very-High Premium Schools (+$30,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Harvey Mudd
CalTech
MIT
UPenn
Stanford
Harvard
While it's interesting only 3 of the 5 HYPSM schools made it on here, given the intense connections to Wall Street and Silicon Valley at these schools and relatively weaker grad school prep culture than say - Princeton, the degree premium is a bit less surprising considering the likelihood these schools have stronger network effects in the private sector than their peers.
High Premium Schools (+$15,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Dartmouth
Duke
Johns Hopkins
CMU
Yale
Claremont McKenna
Georgetown
UChicago
Columbia
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Princeton
Rice
Cornell
UC Berkeley
NYU
Much of the T20 here so no real surprises. NYU's strengths in its business and journalism department + wage inflation for high numbers of graduates residing in New York may inflate it's graduation premium.
Moderate Premium Schools (+$10,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Washington & Lee
Bowdoin
Georgia Tech
Northeastern
Notre Dame
BC
Pomona
Amherst
Villanova
USC
Emory
Williams
Swarthmore
Barnard
Colgate
Wake Forest
Middlebury
BU
UVA
Tufts
WashU St. Louis
Wellesley
Elite LAC's and big private research universities that either lower end T20's that lack "breakout" programs or are part of Boston's "magnificent seven". Also a few top public colleges. This zone seems to represent the premium placed on research university degrees compared to equivalent liberal arts schools as well as either top schools with poor career services or just-below-top schools significant institutional clout.
Low Premium Schools (+$0 Starting Salary Premium)
Trinity (Texas)
Bucknell
Wesleyan
Brandeis
Lehigh
UMichigan
UT Austin
Colby
Brown
UCLA
Davidson
URochester
UW Madison
Haverford
Case Western
Bates
UNC Chapel Hill
Bryn Mawr
UIUC
UC San Diego
Hamilton
URichmond
UMiami
UFlorida
William & Mary
Kenyon
UGeorgia
Vassar
Public Colleges and Liberal Arts Colleges continue to get depressed premiums on the market compared to their private school peers. The only major outlier is Brown, which may be due to a mix of student culture and more interest in liberal arts style education.
Disutility Colleges (Less than $0 Starting Salary Premium)
Tulane
Macalester
Carleton
Grinnell
Smith
Colorado
Is there a link to this?
I don't see a single college I wouldn't expect in any category except Tulane. Would think Tulane would be right there with Wake.
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:14
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Mid-career numbers for MIT pretty lackluster compared to Harvard and Penn or Stanford. or Yale or Princeton. I wonder why?
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:10
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
Looks about right. Thanks.
--MIT grad
--MIT grad
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:07
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
So odd. I thought employers said they were taking Harvard off their list after the protests!
Anonymous
12/09/2024 20:03
Subject: Revealed-- Employer Preferences of The Top Colleges
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Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges
Datasets Used
US Department of Education College Scorecard Dataset 2019-2020
Niche (Reference Point)
Methodology
A set of schools given an A+ ranking in Academics on Niche. This is a bit subjective but the 49 research universities and 29 liberal arts colleges. From reported 2021 post-graduation income using the DoE Scorecard for each school, by major - then comparing that income with the national average income for the major. Each was indexed and ranked by a premium taken from the averaged difference between all majors and the national averages by college.
Divided colleges in to five groups:
Very-High Premium Schools (+$30,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Harvey Mudd
CalTech
MIT
UPenn
Stanford
Harvard
While it's interesting only 3 of the 5 HYPSM schools made it on here, given the intense connections to Wall Street and Silicon Valley at these schools and relatively weaker grad school prep culture than say - Princeton, the degree premium is a bit less surprising considering the likelihood these schools have stronger network effects in the private sector than their peers.
High Premium Schools (+$15,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Dartmouth
Duke
Johns Hopkins
CMU
Yale
Claremont McKenna
Georgetown
UChicago
Columbia
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Princeton
Rice
Cornell
UC Berkeley
NYU
Much of the T20 here so no real surprises. NYU's strengths in its business and journalism department + wage inflation for high numbers of graduates residing in New York may inflate it's graduation premium.
Moderate Premium Schools (+$10,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Washington & Lee
Bowdoin
Georgia Tech
Northeastern
Notre Dame
BC
Pomona
Amherst
Villanova
USC
Emory
Williams
Swarthmore
Barnard
Colgate
Wake Forest
Middlebury
BU
UVA
Tufts
WashU St. Louis
Wellesley
Elite LAC's and big private research universities that either lower end T20's that lack "breakout" programs or are part of Boston's "magnificent seven". Also a few top public colleges. This zone seems to represent the premium placed on research university degrees compared to equivalent liberal arts schools as well as either top schools with poor career services or just-below-top schools significant institutional clout.
Low Premium Schools (+$0 Starting Salary Premium)
Trinity (Texas)
Bucknell
Wesleyan
Brandeis
Lehigh
UMichigan
UT Austin
Colby
Brown
UCLA
Davidson
URochester
UW Madison
Haverford
Case Western
Bates
UNC Chapel Hill
Bryn Mawr
UIUC
UC San Diego
Hamilton
URichmond
UMiami
UFlorida
William & Mary
Kenyon
UGeorgia
Vassar
Public Colleges and Liberal Arts Colleges continue to get depressed premiums on the market compared to their private school peers. The only major outlier is Brown, which may be due to a mix of student culture and more interest in liberal arts style education.
Disutility Colleges (Less than $0 Starting Salary Premium)
Tulane
Macalester
Carleton
Grinnell
Smith
Colorado
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Revealed Employer Preferences in T50(ish) Colleges
Datasets Used
US Department of Education College Scorecard Dataset 2019-2020
Niche (Reference Point)
Methodology
A set of schools given an A+ ranking in Academics on Niche. This is a bit subjective but the 49 research universities and 29 liberal arts colleges. From reported 2021 post-graduation income using the DoE Scorecard for each school, by major - then comparing that income with the national average income for the major. Each was indexed and ranked by a premium taken from the averaged difference between all majors and the national averages by college.
Divided colleges in to five groups:
Very-High Premium Schools (+$30,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Harvey Mudd
CalTech
MIT
UPenn
Stanford
Harvard
While it's interesting only 3 of the 5 HYPSM schools made it on here, given the intense connections to Wall Street and Silicon Valley at these schools and relatively weaker grad school prep culture than say - Princeton, the degree premium is a bit less surprising considering the likelihood these schools have stronger network effects in the private sector than their peers.
High Premium Schools (+$15,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Dartmouth
Duke
Johns Hopkins
CMU
Yale
Claremont McKenna
Georgetown
UChicago
Columbia
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
Princeton
Rice
Cornell
UC Berkeley
NYU
Much of the T20 here so no real surprises. NYU's strengths in its business and journalism department + wage inflation for high numbers of graduates residing in New York may inflate it's graduation premium.
Moderate Premium Schools (+$10,000 Starting Salary Premium)
Washington & Lee
Bowdoin
Georgia Tech
Northeastern
Notre Dame
BC
Pomona
Amherst
Villanova
USC
Emory
Williams
Swarthmore
Barnard
Colgate
Wake Forest
Middlebury
BU
UVA
Tufts
WashU St. Louis
Wellesley
Elite LAC's and big private research universities that either lower end T20's that lack "breakout" programs or are part of Boston's "magnificent seven". Also a few top public colleges. This zone seems to represent the premium placed on research university degrees compared to equivalent liberal arts schools as well as either top schools with poor career services or just-below-top schools significant institutional clout.
Low Premium Schools (+$0 Starting Salary Premium)
Trinity (Texas)
Bucknell
Wesleyan
Brandeis
Lehigh
UMichigan
UT Austin
Colby
Brown
UCLA
Davidson
URochester
UW Madison
Haverford
Case Western
Bates
UNC Chapel Hill
Bryn Mawr
UIUC
UC San Diego
Hamilton
URichmond
UMiami
UFlorida
William & Mary
Kenyon
UGeorgia
Vassar
Public Colleges and Liberal Arts Colleges continue to get depressed premiums on the market compared to their private school peers. The only major outlier is Brown, which may be due to a mix of student culture and more interest in liberal arts style education.
Disutility Colleges (Less than $0 Starting Salary Premium)
Tulane
Macalester
Carleton
Grinnell
Smith
Colorado