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Anonymous wrote:Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

Most of the companies hiring in H-1B visas are large multinational corporations. They aren't hiring a lawyer to process a single H-1B visa. They have a team of in house immigration lawyers who process visa applications, often in multiple countries, for scores of employees every year.

And it's just not true that there are no Americans qualified fur these jobs. Usually they are simply jobs with a high degree of competition for qualified applicants-- the program helps reduce competition for those jobs, which is great for companies but not for the skilled American workers who are qualified for these roles.

And even if there is a shortage of qualified American applicants, shouldn't the US be seeking to educate more citizens for these good, high paying jobs? Quite often H-1B applicants attended US universities to obtain the specialized knowledge needed for these jobs. Foreign students at top American universities keep increasing. These are most often kids of wealthy families who can afford to pay the full cost of international tuition. Isn't part of the argument with Trump that qualifies white Americans are being kept out of top schools by "DEI" candidates? Well a huge amount of the "diversity" at top schools is wealthy foreign nationals.

So it's like a scheme whereby universities give spots that could go to Americans to foreign students in the name of diversity (even though really it's about the higher tuition they can charge these full pay applicants), and then those students use these degrees to get jobs their corporate employees claim there are too few Americans qualified for.

It just seems like if Americans are pissed off about immigrants taking jobs and resources, the H-1B program is a great example of a system designed to screw over Americans. Whereas I don't know a single American who is upset about not being able to get a job picking fruit or de-boning chickens at a processing plant.

So, basically, you don't believe in capitalism.

Also, you might want to tell Trump that his Truth Social company offshored some of their IT jobs. If these companies can't get those visas, they'll just offshore more of the jobs, taking the tax base with it.

I didn't vote for Trump and think he's a grade A a$$hat. And capitalism isn't something you "believe" in -- it's an economic system that can work well but also has to be regulated. We regulate capitalism in the US in lots of different ways. Trump's proposed tariffs and deportation plans are both intended to be checks on capitalism in the name of protecting American citizens and their access to jobs. Most capitalist countries have at least some restrictions on immigration in order to protect citizens.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in suggesting that we round up and deport a bunch of migrant workers doing jobs that Americans fundamentally do not want while not talking about an entire group of immigrants who have jobs Americans do want, that pay well and and offer greater security. And the argument is "oh well we don't have enough qualified Americans" but then a lot of H-1B visa holders were educated in the US at US universities where Americans want to attend and currently get rejected in favor of "diverse" candidates who aren't actually diverse (many of these students code as white), simply wealthy.

Why are we talking about deporting millions of workers doing jobs we won't be able to fill when those workers are gone but we say nothing about the workers taking jobs Americans would love to fill if given the opportunity, while many Americans are deprived of the opportunity to gain the necessary education to get these jobs due to American university spots being filled by foreign students who buy their way in?

I'm just asking questions.

Because those visa holders are here *legally*.

Why do they offshore jobs? That's called capitalism. The minute you start talking regulation, Rs would call you a socialist.

Basically, MAGA are populists. They want regulations and taxes to protect American workers -- America first. But, they don't want government to interfere with business outside of that. They want good paying jobs, but they don't want any regulations that ensure it (ie, minimum wage). They want benefits, but they don't like ACA.

MAGA are dumb. The things that they want are things that Dems were trying to provide.

MAGA think corporations should take care of its employees, but even Trump's hotels hire visa and undocumented workers.

Dreamers and people granted asylum are also here legally. Children born in the US to immigrant parents are also here legally. Trump is threatening to deport all those people.

If I were here on an H-1B visa, I would have ZERO faith that my visa status was safe.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

Most of the companies hiring in H-1B visas are large multinational corporations. They aren't hiring a lawyer to process a single H-1B visa. They have a team of in house immigration lawyers who process visa applications, often in multiple countries, for scores of employees every year.

And it's just not true that there are no Americans qualified fur these jobs. Usually they are simply jobs with a high degree of competition for qualified applicants-- the program helps reduce competition for those jobs, which is great for companies but not for the skilled American workers who are qualified for these roles.

And even if there is a shortage of qualified American applicants, shouldn't the US be seeking to educate more citizens for these good, high paying jobs? Quite often H-1B applicants attended US universities to obtain the specialized knowledge needed for these jobs. Foreign students at top American universities keep increasing. These are most often kids of wealthy families who can afford to pay the full cost of international tuition. Isn't part of the argument with Trump that qualifies white Americans are being kept out of top schools by "DEI" candidates? Well a huge amount of the "diversity" at top schools is wealthy foreign nationals.

So it's like a scheme whereby universities give spots that could go to Americans to foreign students in the name of diversity (even though really it's about the higher tuition they can charge these full pay applicants), and then those students use these degrees to get jobs their corporate employees claim there are too few Americans qualified for.

It just seems like if Americans are pissed off about immigrants taking jobs and resources, the H-1B program is a great example of a system designed to screw over Americans. Whereas I don't know a single American who is upset about not being able to get a job picking fruit or de-boning chickens at a processing plant.

So, basically, you don't believe in capitalism.

Also, you might want to tell Trump that his Truth Social company offshored some of their IT jobs. If these companies can't get those visas, they'll just offshore more of the jobs, taking the tax base with it.

I didn't vote for Trump and think he's a grade A a$$hat. And capitalism isn't something you "believe" in -- it's an economic system that can work well but also has to be regulated. We regulate capitalism in the US in lots of different ways. Trump's proposed tariffs and deportation plans are both intended to be checks on capitalism in the name of protecting American citizens and their access to jobs. Most capitalist countries have at least some restrictions on immigration in order to protect citizens.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in suggesting that we round up and deport a bunch of migrant workers doing jobs that Americans fundamentally do not want while not talking about an entire group of immigrants who have jobs Americans do want, that pay well and and offer greater security. And the argument is "oh well we don't have enough qualified Americans" but then a lot of H-1B visa holders were educated in the US at US universities where Americans want to attend and currently get rejected in favor of "diverse" candidates who aren't actually diverse (many of these students code as white), simply wealthy.

Why are we talking about deporting millions of workers doing jobs we won't be able to fill when those workers are gone but we say nothing about the workers taking jobs Americans would love to fill if given the opportunity, while many Americans are deprived of the opportunity to gain the necessary education to get these jobs due to American university spots being filled by foreign students who buy their way in?

I'm just asking questions.

Because those visa holders are here *legally*.

Why do they offshore jobs? That's called capitalism. The minute you start talking regulation, Rs would call you a socialist.

Basically, MAGA are populists. They want regulations and taxes to protect American workers -- America first. But, they don't want government to interfere with business outside of that. They want good paying jobs, but they don't want any regulations that ensure it (ie, minimum wage). They want benefits, but they don't like ACA.

MAGA are dumb. The things that they want are things that Dems were trying to provide.

MAGA think corporations should take care of its employees, but even Trump's hotels hire visa and undocumented workers.

I don't understand how this is a question. Of course not. They are here legally.

Anonymous wrote:I work for a major tech company and it's awful how they are taking good jobs and undercutting. It needs to stop it's just a backdoor to cheap labor. Further more trump should enact massive tarrifs on offshore it's another way to undercut American jobs

It happens all the time.

And to get back to the issue with the American education system -- for years people have been encouraging young people to go into STEM fields especially in tech because that's where "all the jobs" are supposed to be. And tech companies claimed they had to hire foreign workers for those jobs because there weren't enough qualified American applicants. But then universities ramped up their computer engineering departments and lots more students got those degrees and now tech companies are paying less for these jobs or offshoring them because they don't want to pay salaries that make sense for someone who just took out a bunch of loans to get a computer engineering degree at an American university.

Look, there are some jobs that go to H-1B visas for very good reasons. For example there are certain specialties of civil engineering where the programs at universities in Africa or Southeast Asia turn out more and better qualified applicants for specialized roles and the US simply has not invested in those educational areas enough to fill the positions needed for those specialties. It's a situation like that for which the H-1B program was created.

But there are MANY H-1B holders in the US who work in areas like computer engineering, economics, public health, etc. where it is genuinely questionable as to whether their corporate employers really couldn't find qualified applicants in the US. And many of these visa holders were educated at US universities which means the US has education infrastructure to train people in these areas, including citizens. If we really want to examine our immigration system and ask questions about whether the system is screwing over Americans in favor of both corporate interests and foreign workers (which is the exact argument Trump and his team are making with regards to migrant workers and asylum seekers), then it makes absolutely no sense not to discuss the H-1B program.

Unless this is really just about using poor people as scape goats for all our problems and protecting wealthy interests (including those at US universities, large corporations, and wealthy foreign nationals) above the interests of ordinary working Americans. I wonder.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

Most of the companies hiring in H-1B visas are large multinational corporations. They aren't hiring a lawyer to process a single H-1B visa. They have a team of in house immigration lawyers who process visa applications, often in multiple countries, for scores of employees every year.

And it's just not true that there are no Americans qualified fur these jobs. Usually they are simply jobs with a high degree of competition for qualified applicants-- the program helps reduce competition for those jobs, which is great for companies but not for the skilled American workers who are qualified for these roles.

And even if there is a shortage of qualified American applicants, shouldn't the US be seeking to educate more citizens for these good, high paying jobs? Quite often H-1B applicants attended US universities to obtain the specialized knowledge needed for these jobs. Foreign students at top American universities keep increasing. These are most often kids of wealthy families who can afford to pay the full cost of international tuition. Isn't part of the argument with Trump that qualifies white Americans are being kept out of top schools by "DEI" candidates? Well a huge amount of the "diversity" at top schools is wealthy foreign nationals.

So it's like a scheme whereby universities give spots that could go to Americans to foreign students in the name of diversity (even though really it's about the higher tuition they can charge these full pay applicants), and then those students use these degrees to get jobs their corporate employees claim there are too few Americans qualified for.

It just seems like if Americans are pissed off about immigrants taking jobs and resources, the H-1B program is a great example of a system designed to screw over Americans. Whereas I don't know a single American who is upset about not being able to get a job picking fruit or de-boning chickens at a processing plant.

So, basically, you don't believe in capitalism.

Also, you might want to tell Trump that his Truth Social company offshored some of their IT jobs. If these companies can't get those visas, they'll just offshore more of the jobs, taking the tax base with it.

I didn't vote for Trump and think he's a grade A a$$hat. And capitalism isn't something you "believe" in -- it's an economic system that can work well but also has to be regulated. We regulate capitalism in the US in lots of different ways. Trump's proposed tariffs and deportation plans are both intended to be checks on capitalism in the name of protecting American citizens and their access to jobs. Most capitalist countries have at least some restrictions on immigration in order to protect citizens.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in suggesting that we round up and deport a bunch of migrant workers doing jobs that Americans fundamentally do not want while not talking about an entire group of immigrants who have jobs Americans do want, that pay well and and offer greater security. And the argument is "oh well we don't have enough qualified Americans" but then a lot of H-1B visa holders were educated in the US at US universities where Americans want to attend and currently get rejected in favor of "diverse" candidates who aren't actually diverse (many of these students code as white), simply wealthy.

Why are we talking about deporting millions of workers doing jobs we won't be able to fill when those workers are gone but we say nothing about the workers taking jobs Americans would love to fill if given the opportunity, while many Americans are deprived of the opportunity to gain the necessary education to get these jobs due to American university spots being filled by foreign students who buy their way in?

I'm just asking questions.

Anonymous wrote:Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

It is most definitely a way of undercutting the pay rate for these jobs.

I work for a major tech company and it's awful how they are taking good jobs and undercutting. It needs to stop it's just a backdoor to cheap labor. Further more trump should enact massive tarrifs on offshore it's another way to undercut American jobs

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Anonymous wrote:No! Of course not.

Why not?

dp.. why would they be? They are here legally and haven't committed a crime. Trump's border czar said legal immigrants have nothing to fear.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

Most of the companies hiring in H-1B visas are large multinational corporations. They aren't hiring a lawyer to process a single H-1B visa. They have a team of in house immigration lawyers who process visa applications, often in multiple countries, for scores of employees every year.

And it's just not true that there are no Americans qualified fur these jobs. Usually they are simply jobs with a high degree of competition for qualified applicants-- the program helps reduce competition for those jobs, which is great for companies but not for the skilled American workers who are qualified for these roles.

And even if there is a shortage of qualified American applicants, shouldn't the US be seeking to educate more citizens for these good, high paying jobs? Quite often H-1B applicants attended US universities to obtain the specialized knowledge needed for these jobs. Foreign students at top American universities keep increasing. These are most often kids of wealthy families who can afford to pay the full cost of international tuition. Isn't part of the argument with Trump that qualifies white Americans are being kept out of top schools by "DEI" candidates? Well a huge amount of the "diversity" at top schools is wealthy foreign nationals.

So it's like a scheme whereby universities give spots that could go to Americans to foreign students in the name of diversity (even though really it's about the higher tuition they can charge these full pay applicants), and then those students use these degrees to get jobs their corporate employees claim there are too few Americans qualified for.

It just seems like if Americans are pissed off about immigrants taking jobs and resources, the H-1B program is a great example of a system designed to screw over Americans. Whereas I don't know a single American who is upset about not being able to get a job picking fruit or de-boning chickens at a processing plant.

So, basically, you don't believe in capitalism.

Also, you might want to tell Trump that his Truth Social company offshored some of their IT jobs. If these companies can't get those visas, they'll just offshore more of the jobs, taking the tax base with it.

Anonymous wrote:No! Of course not.

Why not?

No! Of course not.

Anonymous wrote:Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

Most of the companies hiring in H-1B visas are large multinational corporations. They aren't hiring a lawyer to process a single H-1B visa. They have a team of in house immigration lawyers who process visa applications, often in multiple countries, for scores of employees every year.

And it's just not true that there are no Americans qualified fur these jobs. Usually they are simply jobs with a high degree of competition for qualified applicants-- the program helps reduce competition for those jobs, which is great for companies but not for the skilled American workers who are qualified for these roles.

And even if there is a shortage of qualified American applicants, shouldn't the US be seeking to educate more citizens for these good, high paying jobs? Quite often H-1B applicants attended US universities to obtain the specialized knowledge needed for these jobs. Foreign students at top American universities keep increasing. These are most often kids of wealthy families who can afford to pay the full cost of international tuition. Isn't part of the argument with Trump that qualifies white Americans are being kept out of top schools by "DEI" candidates? Well a huge amount of the "diversity" at top schools is wealthy foreign nationals.

So it's like a scheme whereby universities give spots that could go to Americans to foreign students in the name of diversity (even though really it's about the higher tuition they can charge these full pay applicants), and then those students use these degrees to get jobs their corporate employees claim there are too few Americans qualified for.

It just seems like if Americans are pissed off about immigrants taking jobs and resources, the H-1B program is a great example of a system designed to screw over Americans. Whereas I don't know a single American who is upset about not being able to get a job picking fruit or de-boning chickens at a processing plant.

I don't think they have anything to worry about in terms of being deported while the visa is valid, unless of course, they commit a violent crime.

Even if they get deported, though, or Trump restricts the visas for the future, the jobs will just go offshore. I mean, even Truth Social offshored some of their IT jobs.

Trump can't force companies to bring back the jobs, unless you want the US to be like a socialist/communist country lead by a dictator who can tell private companies who they can and cannot hire.

Capitalism means that companies can offshore the jobs if they want to.

Do you want them to be?

While Americans may want those jobs, it is unlikely they would ever get them. Do you think a company wants to go through all of the hassle of hiring layers and dealing with immigration. It’s because that’s who is the most qualified for the job. No one is stopping you from applying.

I know there are other legal or legalized immigrants (people granted asylum, DREAMers) who worry that their legal status could be stripped. Are H-1B visa holders worried? They tend to be in jobs Americans actually want and that pay well, as opposed to all the migrants working in fields and food processing plants.