Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:29
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a 44 year old mixed European-Asian who has lived on several continents.
I have yet to meet anyone, of any gender, who isn't prejudiced about gender, race, religion, socio-economic status, etc. Some ethnic groups take stereotypes for granted and state it as established fact, while Americans and western Europeans, for the most part, know misogyny (and any other prejudice) is something they need to keep under wraps and possibly work to refute.
But deep down? We're all like this. My husband is like this. My father is like this. My best friend's super progressive, self-proclaimed feminist husband is like this. They don't come out and say it! But it colors their entire way of relating to the world. Sometimes I think the least misogynist man I know is my deeply conservative and pious Catholic godfather. He has integrated from his religion that he needs to respect all humans. But then... he also attended an anti-gay marriage rally. Sigh.
Gender equality, sexual orientation and race-blindness, are all mirages.
I wanted to fight you on this but I stepped back and see it. 100% agree.
Unfortunately my opinion is that as long as women’s bodies are such that they bear children and they can be raped, misogyny will always prevail. It’s all about power and short of neutering every male in the universe, they will always have more power than women do. Even if every man was neutered and artificial insemination was used for reproduction, the vulnerability women face during pregnancy and childbirth and their innate willingness to put a child before themselves after birth would still grant more power to men.
I don’t tell my DD that because I don’t want her to give up.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:28
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
I think in person connection and positive male and female role models are key.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:26
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think we need to give up on the Andrew Tates and Joe Rogans and just raise boys better from the ground up.
It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)
here is exhibit A as to why you have no clue whats going on outside your bubble. Andrew State and Joe Rogan are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Andrew Tate is a convicted male macho Muslim and Joe Rogan is a laid back normal guy that isn't extreme. Until you start understanding the difference you won't make people think anything other than you are batshit crazy.
Joe Rogan is not a laid back normal guy. Anyone who endorses a rapist and convicted felon for president is not normal. A president should be held to a standard of having never done anything illegal beyond a traffic violation. That shouldn't be too high a bar.
You don't make the rules.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:25
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.
In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?
In a world where you have the choice of policies, direction of the county, etc. 5M+ more chose that direction. You can't label and accuse all of them as misogynists to make it make sense in your small mind.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:25
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
There will always be people in life that discriminate based on sex, race, etc. learn to accept that first, instead of acting like you can eradicate it.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:23
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think we need to give up on the Andrew Tates and Joe Rogans and just raise boys better from the ground up.
It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)
here is exhibit A as to why you have no clue whats going on outside your bubble. Andrew State and Joe Rogan are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Andrew Tate is a convicted male macho Muslim and Joe Rogan is a laid back normal guy that isn't extreme. Until you start understanding the difference you won't make people think anything other than you are batshit crazy.
Joe Rogan is not a laid back normal guy. Anyone who endorses a rapist and convicted felon for president is not normal. A president should be held to a standard of having never done anything illegal beyond a traffic violation. That shouldn't be too high a bar.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:22
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
I'm a 44 year old mixed European-Asian who has lived on several continents.
I have yet to meet anyone, of any gender, who isn't prejudiced about gender, race, religion, socio-economic status, etc. Some ethnic groups take stereotypes for granted and state it as established fact, while Americans and western Europeans, for the most part, know misogyny (and any other prejudice) is something they need to keep under wraps and possibly work to refute.
But deep down? We're all like this. My husband is like this. My father is like this. My best friend's super progressive, self-proclaimed feminist husband is like this. They don't come out and say it! But it colors their entire way of relating to the world. Sometimes I think the least misogynist man I know is my deeply conservative and pious Catholic godfather. He has integrated from his religion that he needs to respect all humans. But then... he also attended an anti-gay marriage rally. Sigh.
Gender equality, sexual orientation and race-blindness, are all mirages.
I have yet to meet anyone, of any gender, who isn't prejudiced about gender, race, religion, socio-economic status, etc. Some ethnic groups take stereotypes for granted and state it as established fact, while Americans and western Europeans, for the most part, know misogyny (and any other prejudice) is something they need to keep under wraps and possibly work to refute.
But deep down? We're all like this. My husband is like this. My father is like this. My best friend's super progressive, self-proclaimed feminist husband is like this. They don't come out and say it! But it colors their entire way of relating to the world. Sometimes I think the least misogynist man I know is my deeply conservative and pious Catholic godfather. He has integrated from his religion that he needs to respect all humans. But then... he also attended an anti-gay marriage rally. Sigh.
Gender equality, sexual orientation and race-blindness, are all mirages.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:22
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:I think we need to give up on the Andrew Tates and Joe Rogans and just raise boys better from the ground up.
It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)
Welcome your nephew to the Letters Community.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:22
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.
In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?
Because they both have a political past, and we were better off with his. Why can’t you comprehend this?
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:20
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.
Fire the female head of the DNC and bring in a female head of the DNC who knows hot to vet candidates and win elections. Listen to even CNN discuss how the Republicans identify candidates who had enough appeal to beat sitting Senators like Sherrod Brown and bulk up the House. They did not look for candidates that fit some litmus test of DECI acceptability but candidates that could WIN. After that read the books that Susie Wiles will likely write that will define the type of women who can combat deep misogyny. Kamala Harris does not fit the mold.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:20
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:I think we need to give up on the Andrew Tates and Joe Rogans and just raise boys better from the ground up.
It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)
here is exhibit A as to why you have no clue whats going on outside your bubble. Andrew State and Joe Rogan are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Andrew Tate is a convicted male macho Muslim and Joe Rogan is a laid back normal guy that isn't extreme. Until you start understanding the difference you won't make people think anything other than you are batshit crazy.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:17
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
I think we need to give up on the Andrew Tates and Joe Rogans and just raise boys better from the ground up.
It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)
It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:14
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.
In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:13
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.
Anonymous
11/07/2024 12:11
Subject: How can we combat deep misogyny?
It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.
If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?
If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?