Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 10:52     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems they must have only used one stroke (2 events) for one of the ages, because I don’t see any other stroke with more than an A time, and there are at least two swimmers who were outrageously fast across every stroke in that same age last year. The two swimmers I am thinking of have early of the year birthdays, so that would split their times across ages.


What age group?

DP, but I think this poster is referring to one of the 9 year olds and one of the 10 year olds who is now in the 11–12 age group.


So if they aged up, mid season, they are limited to the events the swam during that age. They keep saying "stroke" and not event which is throwing me off.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 10:29     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems they must have only used one stroke (2 events) for one of the ages, because I don’t see any other stroke with more than an A time, and there are at least two swimmers who were outrageously fast across every stroke in that same age last year. The two swimmers I am thinking of have early of the year birthdays, so that would split their times across ages.


What age group?

DP, but I think this poster is referring to one of the 9 year olds and one of the 10 year olds who is now in the 11–12 age group.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 10:19     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:It seems they must have only used one stroke (2 events) for one of the ages, because I don’t see any other stroke with more than an A time, and there are at least two swimmers who were outrageously fast across every stroke in that same age last year. The two swimmers I am thinking of have early of the year birthdays, so that would split their times across ages.


What age group?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 09:33     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:It seems they must have only used one stroke (2 events) for one of the ages, because I don’t see any other stroke with more than an A time, and there are at least two swimmers who were outrageously fast across every stroke in that same age last year. The two swimmers I am thinking of have early of the year birthdays, so that would split their times across ages.

If you’re talking about a 9 year old, they are obviously at the low end of an age group, so a 9 year old with say AA times is the equivalent to a 10 year old with at least AAA times in that event, etc. That’s also an age where many kids are just getting started so I’m sure those swimmers’ stats look a lot different than say the 12 and overs that are on this list.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 09:25     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:It seems they must have only used one stroke (2 events) for one of the ages, because I don’t see any other stroke with more than an A time, and there are at least two swimmers who were outrageously fast across every stroke in that same age last year. The two swimmers I am thinking of have early of the year birthdays, so that would split their times across ages.

That’s not how it is supposed to work. If you’re looking at current time standards the swimmer may have aged up and a AAA has turned into an A at the next age group. A freestyler could have all 4 events considered be freestyle events, but that is the only stroke where that’s possible.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 08:58     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
It seems they must have only used one stroke (2 events) for one of the ages, because I don’t see any other stroke with more than an A time, and there are at least two swimmers who were outrageously fast across every stroke in that same age last year. The two swimmers I am thinking of have early of the year birthdays, so that would split their times across ages.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 08:27     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure this is the same as Swimcloud or how a college team would rank a swimmer. It is by the best four events for a swimmer during a season.

DP - two or more of the events can be same stroke if different distances?


Yes, points are done by events not strokes.

So a swimmer that excels at breast stroke (and that is the point maker) and can swim a 100 and 200 breast well, has two of the events that will gain them the points. They will need two other events - oftentimes, with a breast stroker it will be IM, so it will be 100 and 200 or 400 IM. If you go to swimcloud you can hover over the point score of the swimmer and it will tell you the events.

You will see a freestyler usually have three of their four of their events as 200, 500, 1000 for example.

That is why once you get beyond age group swimming and you want to swim in college, you work on your four events (not strokes).

Is it determining best 4 based on time standards? (E.g., swimmer has AAAA in these two breast events but only AAA in free, so it will weight the breast events higher in the calculation?)
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 08:04     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure this is the same as Swimcloud or how a college team would rank a swimmer. It is by the best four events for a swimmer during a season.

DP - two or more of the events can be same stroke if different distances?


Yes, points are done by events not strokes.

So a swimmer that excels at breast stroke (and that is the point maker) and can swim a 100 and 200 breast well, has two of the events that will gain them the points. They will need two other events - oftentimes, with a breast stroker it will be IM, so it will be 100 and 200 or 400 IM. If you go to swimcloud you can hover over the point score of the swimmer and it will tell you the events.

You will see a freestyler usually have three of their four of their events as 200, 500, 1000 for example.

That is why once you get beyond age group swimming and you want to swim in college, you work on your four events (not strokes).

Thanks! Very helpful
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 07:47     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?


Here you go, you can search:

https://www.swimcloud.com/country/usa/club/lsc/PV/swimmers/?page=1&gender=F&season_id=27&agegroup=0910
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 07:46     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure this is the same as Swimcloud or how a college team would rank a swimmer. It is by the best four events for a swimmer during a season.

DP - two or more of the events can be same stroke if different distances?


Yes, points are done by events not strokes.

So a swimmer that excels at breast stroke (and that is the point maker) and can swim a 100 and 200 breast well, has two of the events that will gain them the points. They will need two other events - oftentimes, with a breast stroker it will be IM, so it will be 100 and 200 or 400 IM. If you go to swimcloud you can hover over the point score of the swimmer and it will tell you the events.

You will see a freestyler usually have three of their four of their events as 200, 500, 1000 for example.

That is why once you get beyond age group swimming and you want to swim in college, you work on your four events (not strokes).
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 07:46     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure this is the same as Swimcloud or how a college team would rank a swimmer. It is by the best four events for a swimmer during a season.

DP - two or more of the events can be same stroke if different distances?

Yes.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 07:42     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?


I went on swimcloud and pulled up the rankings of PVS, and it is the exact formula. So it is pretty standard. They just pulled the power points by age and not age group to recognize more swimmers.

It is the best indicator of a swimmer's collegiate value.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 07:37     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:

I am pretty sure this is the same as Swimcloud or how a college team would rank a swimmer. It is by the best four events for a swimmer during a season.

DP - two or more of the events can be same stroke if different distances?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 07:08     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?


I am pretty sure this is the same as Swimcloud or how a college team would rank a swimmer. It is by the best four events for a swimmer during a season.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 00:23     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Is it based on four best times in the same stroke? That’s the only way it seems to make sense mathematically:

https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/outstandingathlete2324.html