Anonymous wrote:The problem with teams that pass is that college plays infinite subs.

A possession style offense requires a limited number of subs. What happens is it takes less effort to pass between players than it does to chase the ball around. Once the team that's chasing the ball is tired the possession team switches to direct and scores at will.

Since college allows infinite subs it doesn't make sense to play a possession style offense because the defense will never get tired. Also the defensive coach will sub constantly to control the tempo of the game which also negates possession style play.

What ends up happening is college only cares about big fast aggressive direct to goal type of players.

Youth clubs know that possession will win when the rules favor it in leagues like MLS ECNL and GA. However they also know that colleges don't care about possession because of infinite subs.

Do youth clubs want to win games or place players into colleges?

The bolded above is 100% false.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how you measure value, but in my son's MLS Next Team the players who get the most playing time are the goalie, the two CBs, and the CDM. The CBs and CDM almost never score goals, but the coach and the team realize that their role is fundamental to our team's success.

No disrespect but I don't know how well you know soccer. It isn't about realizing those kids are fundamental to success, those positions usually run the least (and presumably don't get tired) so they don't get subbed. This is generally true in the pro game also. I don't want to say what positions are fundamental to success, everyone has an opinion.

False. Goalie and CBs are and CMs are a core of the team regardless how the games go and generally don’t get subbed even if the team is under pressure the whole time.

Modern days these positions are also integral part of attack.

It depends on the game being played.

The way college plays with infinite subs CBs and CMs aren't as important as they would be if coaches could only sub X number of times per half.

Basically college becomes bootball with 1on1 specialists on top that try to score goals.

Watch a women's college soccer game sometime and you'll see what I mean.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how you measure value, but in my son's MLS Next Team the players who get the most playing time are the goalie, the two CBs, and the CDM. The CBs and CDM almost never score goals, but the coach and the team realize that their role is fundamental to our team's success.

No disrespect but I don't know how well you know soccer. It isn't about realizing those kids are fundamental to success, those positions usually run the least (and presumably don't get tired) so they don't get subbed. This is generally true in the pro game also. I don't want to say what positions are fundamental to success, everyone has an opinion.

False. Goalie and CBs are and CMs are a core of the team regardless how the games go and generally don’t get subbed even if the team is under pressure the whole time.

Modern days these positions are also integral part of attack.

The problem with teams that pass is that college plays infinite subs.

A possession style offense requires a limited number of subs. What happens is it takes less effort to pass between players than it does to chase the ball around. Once the team that's chasing the ball is tired the possession team switches to direct and scores at will.

Since college allows infinite subs it doesn't make sense to play a possession style offense because the defense will never get tired. Also the defensive coach will sub constantly to control the tempo of the game which also negates possession style play.

What ends up happening is college only cares about big fast aggressive direct to goal type of players.

Youth clubs know that possession will win when the rules favor it in leagues like MLS ECNL and GA. However they also know that colleges don't care about possession because of infinite subs.

Do youth clubs want to win games or place players into colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:Age matters. Before u13 coaches teach and praise passing in practice but in the end aggressive goal scoring 'wins games' at the younger ages so that's what's focused on. After that if your kid can move the ball with ease it's much more important.

However, if you have a one/two touch passer that does next to nothing else on the field from lack of confidence then no, they will never be valued because they are deficient in a whole half of the game. 1v1 is heavily done in younger ages for a reason. If you can't/refuse to beat an attacker or play 1v1 defense your not built for elite soccer.

+1

We played Arlington u11 #2 team, and GFR #1 teams, they out passed us 4 times to 1 easily. They clearly value passing instead of dribbling. Our club doesn't stop dribbling efforts at u11 to in order to develop youth players. Nothing wrong with either approach, only passing vs freedom to dribble boat teach the players different valuable skills. But as PP above mentioned, at u13 that should significantly change and the emphasis should be more on passing.

It’s not passing that should be emphasized, it’s possession. Players should be as comfortable passing the ball quickly as they are taking a 1v1 or dribbling, etc. By U13, they should be developing and honing their decision making skills and know what to do with the ball when they have it. That’s why it’s so important to develop technical skills at an early age so players are comfortable moving the ball under pressure and not booting it or taking the easy pass.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how you measure value, but in my son's MLS Next Team the players who get the most playing time are the goalie, the two CBs, and the CDM. The CBs and CDM almost never score goals, but the coach and the team realize that their role is fundamental to our team's success.

No disrespect but I don't know how well you know soccer. It isn't about realizing those kids are fundamental to success, those positions usually run the least (and presumably don't get tired) so they don't get subbed. This is generally true in the pro game also. I don't want to say what positions are fundamental to success, everyone has an opinion.

What about a CM in 9v9? That's where my DC normally plays and they seem to run a lot... never get subbed out. There are two of them and the other one gets subbed.

Centermids are fundamental to a teams success. They are the backbone of a team and create goal opportunities and essentially dictate/set/execute the game strategies.

Anonymous wrote:Age matters. Before u13 coaches teach and praise passing in practice but in the end aggressive goal scoring 'wins games' at the younger ages so that's what's focused on. After that if your kid can move the ball with ease it's much more important.

However, if you have a one/two touch passer that does next to nothing else on the field from lack of confidence then no, they will never be valued because they are deficient in a whole half of the game. 1v1 is heavily done in younger ages for a reason. If you can't/refuse to beat an attacker or play 1v1 defense your not built for elite soccer.

+1

We played Arlington u11 #2 team, and GFR #1 teams, they out passed us 4 times to 1 easily. They clearly value passing instead of dribbling. Our club doesn't stop dribbling efforts at u11 to in order to develop youth players. Nothing wrong with either approach, only passing vs freedom to dribble boat teach the players different valuable skills. But as PP above mentioned, at u13 that should significantly change and the emphasis should be more on passing.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how you measure value, but in my son's MLS Next Team the players who get the most playing time are the goalie, the two CBs, and the CDM. The CBs and CDM almost never score goals, but the coach and the team realize that their role is fundamental to our team's success.

No disrespect but I don't know how well you know soccer. It isn't about realizing those kids are fundamental to success, those positions usually run the least (and presumably don't get tired) so they don't get subbed. This is generally true in the pro game also. I don't want to say what positions are fundamental to success, everyone has an opinion.

What about a CM in 9v9? That's where my DC normally plays and they seem to run a lot... never get subbed out. There are two of them and the other one gets subbed.

Age matters. Before u13 coaches teach and praise passing in practice but in the end aggressive goal scoring 'wins games' at the younger ages so that's what's focused on. After that if your kid can move the ball with ease it's much more important.

However, if you have a one/two touch passer that does next to nothing else on the field from lack of confidence then no, they will never be valued because they are deficient in a whole half of the game. 1v1 is heavily done in younger ages for a reason. If you can't/refuse to beat an attacker or play 1v1 defense your not built for elite soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see a program or team my DS has been on where they value the kid willing to make the pass instead of the kid willing to shoot and score the goals.

Is there a coach or one in Nova? I’d love to hear others insights. My son loves being the silent assistant and takes pride in the assist over the goal but seems to be constantly overlooked

Alexandria is very big into passing.

Agree. We've watched some of their games and very impressed with the way to pass and connect.

Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see a program or team my DS has been on where they value the kid willing to make the pass instead of the kid willing to shoot and score the goals.

Is there a coach or one in Nova? I’d love to hear others insights. My son loves being the silent assistant and takes pride in the assist over the goal but seems to be constantly overlooked

Value? Yes but it's all about decision making. Every situation is different. A kid shouldn't skip a goal scoring opportunity just to pass to a teammate who ends up missing, making a pass that gets stolen in the box when they could have scored, passing to a teammate in an offside position. After a while if your kid never shoots, the opponent will recognize it and know that he is always looking to pass versus taking space or shooting. If you are just talking more of a possession type of sense, yes those are highly valued, maybe just not looking in the correct places.

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure how you measure value, but in my son's MLS Next Team the players who get the most playing time are the goalie, the two CBs, and the CDM. The CBs and CDM almost never score goals, but the coach and the team realize that their role is fundamental to our team's success.

No disrespect but I don't know how well you know soccer. It isn't about realizing those kids are fundamental to success, those positions usually run the least (and presumably don't get tired) so they don't get subbed. This is generally true in the pro game also. I don't want to say what positions are fundamental to success, everyone has an opinion.

I am not sure how you measure value, but in my son's MLS Next Team the players who get the most playing time are the goalie, the two CBs, and the CDM. The CBs and CDM almost never score goals, but the coach and the team realize that their role is fundamental to our team's success.

Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see a program or team my DS has been on where they value the kid willing to make the pass instead of the kid willing to shoot and score the goals.

Is there a coach or one in Nova? I’d love to hear others insights. My son loves being the silent assistant and takes pride in the assist over the goal but seems to be constantly overlooked

Alexandria is very big into passing.

I have yet to see a program or team my DS has been on where they value the kid willing to make the pass instead of the kid willing to shoot and score the goals.

Is there a coach or one in Nova? I’d love to hear others insights. My son loves being the silent assistant and takes pride in the assist over the goal but seems to be constantly overlooked