Anonymous
Post 10/20/2024 00:48     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
The reason you're receiving the draft ahead of the AR is for this exact purpose. Absolutely bring it up at the meeting and explain that you disagree with the reduction. The SLP will have to give justification (and who knows, maybe you'll agree with it). But no, you don't have to just accept it. Making waves should not affect the quality of services your child receives.

I am an MCPS and a parent of a child with an IEP, so I have been on both sides of this table. It can be very intimidating as a parent, but really, in the vast majority of cases, everyone there is seeking what's best for the child. There are always going to be horror stories, but that doesn't mean you'll be in one. Request rationale for reducing his hours, consider it, and then make your opinion known.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 23:41     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.


This. All kids should get what they need. It’s not a competition on who needs it more.


Correct. IEPs detail what services a child needs and those that would best serve them in being able to access the curriculum well.

If they don’t have the personnel to provide all the needed time, then CO should be actively recruiting and providing updates on their efforts. In the interim current providers/ schools can negotiate scheduling/time based on highest need without incorrectly listing the requirement in the IEP.

If a student needs should have an hour that’s what needs to be listed. If they only have 30mins they provide the 30mins they can while looking for how to provide the missing 30mins.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 23:24     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.


Agree. That parent's reasoning is ridiculous. The school district has certain obligations and they need to provide them.

OP, push back. Schools often are trying to chip away at IEP and unfortunately sometimes the parents need to push back.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 23:22     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.


This. All kids should get what they need. It’s not a competition on who needs it more.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 22:23     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.


PP you replied to. At Bethesda elementary, where my son was years ago, they had a great IEP team, under a Principal that was focused on serving kids with SN, so no, they were definitely not shirking their responsibilities. Since I volunteered often, I could see them working with kids. Maybe elsewhere, I can't say.


They were shirking responsibilities if they were denying needed services to kids. Even if there are kids who need more intensive services.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 21:58     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.


PP you replied to. At Bethesda elementary, where my son was years ago, they had a great IEP team, under a Principal that was focused on serving kids with SN, so no, they were definitely not shirking their responsibilities. Since I volunteered often, I could see them working with kids. Maybe elsewhere, I can't say.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 21:55     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.


+1.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 21:52     Subject: Re:Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Stay put isn’t necessarily a gift. You don’t get new goals and you still lose classroom time to work on goals that have been achieved. It’s time wasted. You might want to try to find a more productive alternative.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 21:36     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Anonymous wrote:My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.



Completely disagree with you. MCPS will always try to shirk their legal responsibility to provide services. Parents can and should appeal to get the services their children are entitled to. MCPS is required to follow federal law and regulations.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 21:34     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Absolutely ask and also tell them you think he still needs the hour. Go back and forth and see if you can have them make the adjustment. If they don't, then you should appeal if he needs it.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 20:54     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
My son had pullouts for a speech group at his elementary school. The speech group was both a speech activity and a socializing activity for ADHD and autistic profiles. My ADHD/ASD son benefited enormously and the speech pathologist (quite elderly when he had her, she retired a couple of years later) was the best I have ever encountered. My son had had county and private speech therapists before her, so I could compare.

But when the IEP team cut his hours with her, I didn't make waves. He "needed" those hours. But I volunteered at school extensively, and I could see so many other kids who needed time with her too.

I know a lot of parents only focus on getting the maximum services for their own child, otehrs be dammed. But when you see the need out there... I don't know. I think higher-priority students should go first. And that's what schools do. If you think you have evidence that he should be at a higher priority level, then you have to show his IEP team.

Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 20:45     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
The quality of school speech is often poor. There can be 4 or 5 students in a group all with no different needs. Why spend all that time and energy fighting for services that are usually not that great. Add to that he is missing class.

So much better to pay for private speech or find online resources and practice with him. It isn't rocket science.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 20:25     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Can you do private speech?
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 20:23     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
You can and should ask. It’s helpful to know the reasoning - did she make progress and not need help? Plateauing on the goal? Too much time being pulled from class? They don’t have to agree but it’s your right to ask.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2024 19:33     Subject: Annual Review of IEP- I want to disagree
Thank you in advance for any/all information. I have a son with an IEP and when I received the draft, they plan to reduce his speech hours. To me, it’s one of his biggest needs and I don’t think his time with the speech therapist should be reduced from 1hr a week to 30 minutes a week. Can I disagree with the time change? Does the time “stay put” from previous IEP. I’m afraid to push too hard or make waves for fear the frustration will be taken out on my son,s quality of services. Would love any advice….