Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 11:32     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:These rules are completely outdated. Schools should encourage the use of AI to support writing. There is no reason to focus on grammar structure etc when the importance is orchestrating ideas etc to own and paper. Sad.


And this is why this generation of kids can't write.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 15:38     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was prepared to defend the school because I generally despise parents like this, but after reading the article I understand why they’re upset. The school’s AI policy is horrible, they should use AI to write them a new policy.


You would despise most of the White people in Hingham. Don’t they run a program to check for plagiarism? If he only read AI info and didn’t use it then nothing would show up. Their argument is the written policy is poorly written and their kid is too stupid to understand it.



I agree the parents are right to challenge the decision. There was no policy, he wrote the paper using it as a research tool, which was not against policy. AFTER the fact they edited the policy. Not cool. You can't punish someone for violating a policy that did not exist at the time.

And, even if they did run a program to check AI detection programs are horrible at actually detecting AI. Many, many people have reported that papers that absolutely did not use it get flagged as AI content. No school should be basing any decisions on these tools.


Exactly
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 15:29     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:These rules are completely outdated. Schools should encourage the use of AI to support writing. There is no reason to focus on grammar structure etc when the importance is orchestrating ideas etc to own and paper. Sad.


Nope. Cheating is cheating. The problem is that schools have let cheaters off easy for so long that when a kid gets caught -and gets detention!- that parents are shocked.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 14:59     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
These rules are completely outdated. Schools should encourage the use of AI to support writing. There is no reason to focus on grammar structure etc when the importance is orchestrating ideas etc to own and paper. Sad.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 14:05     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
So... there was a rule saying no unauthorized use of technology, including AI. And there was a rule against plagiarism, including AI.

Sounds like there were two different rules that already existed. They're just made he got caught. Consequences are for kids that didn't get a perfect ACT score.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 14:04     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was prepared to defend the school because I generally despise parents like this, but after reading the article I understand why they’re upset. The school’s AI policy is horrible, they should use AI to write them a new policy.


You would despise most of the White people in Hingham. Don’t they run a program to check for plagiarism? If he only read AI info and didn’t use it then nothing would show up. Their argument is the written policy is poorly written and their kid is too stupid to understand it.



I agree the parents are right to challenge the decision. There was no policy, he wrote the paper using it as a research tool, which was not against policy. AFTER the fact they edited the policy. Not cool. You can't punish someone for violating a policy that did not exist at the time.

And, even if they did run a program to check AI detection programs are horrible at actually detecting AI. Many, many people have reported that papers that absolutely did not use it get flagged as AI content. No school should be basing any decisions on these tools.


Yes, I've heard that those detection programs are problematic. But this kid did use AI. His parents aren't denying that.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:46     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was prepared to defend the school because I generally despise parents like this, but after reading the article I understand why they’re upset. The school’s AI policy is horrible, they should use AI to write them a new policy.


You would despise most of the White people in Hingham. Don’t they run a program to check for plagiarism? If he only read AI info and didn’t use it then nothing would show up. Their argument is the written policy is poorly written and their kid is too stupid to understand it.



I agree the parents are right to challenge the decision. There was no policy, he wrote the paper using it as a research tool, which was not against policy. AFTER the fact they edited the policy. Not cool. You can't punish someone for violating a policy that did not exist at the time.

And, even if they did run a program to check AI detection programs are horrible at actually detecting AI. Many, many people have reported that papers that absolutely did not use it get flagged as AI content. No school should be basing any decisions on these tools.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:26     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:I was prepared to defend the school because I generally despise parents like this, but after reading the article I understand why they’re upset. The school’s AI policy is horrible, they should use AI to write them a new policy.


You would despise most of the White people in Hingham. Don’t they run a program to check for plagiarism? If he only read AI info and didn’t use it then nothing would show up. Their argument is the written policy is poorly written and their kid is too stupid to understand it.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:21     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
The rule said no unauthorized use of AI. He used ai to do research on a research paper assignment. He didn’t cite the AI tool. It’s cheating and it’s explicitly against the rules.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:18     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
I was prepared to defend the school because I generally despise parents like this, but after reading the article I understand why they’re upset. The school’s AI policy is horrible, they should use AI to write them a new policy.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:14     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/parents-sue-school-massachusetts-son-203004528.html

Seems like these parents are really doing their kid a disservice. He broke the rules but they are going scorched earth to try to bail him out. How are we going to maintain any public school standards when parents act like this? This is why we can’t keep good teachers.


He used AI. That's not breaking the rules if there isn't a rule.
What does this have to do with teacher retention? Stop being so dramatic.

if you don't want kids to use AI make a rule.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:13     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/parents-sue-school-massachusetts-son-203004528.html

Seems like these parents are really doing their kid a disservice. He broke the rules but they are going scorched earth to try to bail him out. How are we going to maintain any public school standards when parents act like this? This is why we can’t keep good teachers.


He used AI. That's not breaking the rules if there isn't a rule.
What does this have to do with teacher retention? Stop being so dramatic.

if you don't want kids to use AI make a rule.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 13:10     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
Anonymous wrote:You’re saying he broke the rules. They are saying he did not, and didn’t use AI in the writing of the paper.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/hingham-high-school-ai-lawsuit/62602947


They're aren't denying he used AI when doing the assignment. Of course that's cheating, it doesn't need to be explicitly spelled out for everyone to know that.

Those parents think they're on a Crusade to help their DC and other students - they are only hurting their DC and other students.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 12:55     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
You’re saying he broke the rules. They are saying he did not, and didn’t use AI in the writing of the paper.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/hingham-high-school-ai-lawsuit/62602947
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 12:31     Subject: Parents sue for kid failed for using AI
https://www.yahoo.com/news/parents-sue-school-massachusetts-son-203004528.html

Seems like these parents are really doing their kid a disservice. He broke the rules but they are going scorched earth to try to bail him out. How are we going to maintain any public school standards when parents act like this? This is why we can’t keep good teachers.