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Anonymous wrote:Hanging out at the PVS October Open this weekend and studying times to pass the time. I’m noticing there are very few times being swum better than BB and essentially no AAA or AAAA times at all. In an event of 100 or more swimmers in the 11-12s, there might be 3-4 A times and perhaps 1-2 AA times. Sometimes there are no AA times. I thought A was supposed to be top 15% and AA top 8%. What’s going on?

I also don't think A and AA correspond to the same percentiles in the younger age groups. At the spring championship meets an AA time is close to making finals in the younger groups, but in the older groups everyone has an AA time or better. Consider for example that there are 21 AA or better times in 100 free out of 1,176 11-12 boys -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&stroke=1&code=X&sex=M&age=11-12&course=Y&distance=100 -- which puts the AA cut line at the top 1.79% of swimmers. In the same event, there are 249 AA or better times for 17-18 boys out of a much smaller pool or swimmers -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&course=Y&code=X&stroke=1&distance=100&sex=M&age=17-18 -- so in this case AA corresponds to the top 34.7% of swimmers.

The 11-12 AA cut is 58.69, right? So actually only 8 of the 1176 11-12 boys in PVS have that cut. I guess AA is not top 8%, or PVS has a really bad crop of swimmers in that group.

It hard to make that assessment at this point in the season, I’m sure there were many more 11-12s that had the AA last season but they have aged up since the end of last SC season. Last SC season 57 11-12 boys in PVS hit the AA time or better. Swimstandards site is good for this kind of analysis.

https://swimstandards.com/rankings/100fr-scy-11-12-male-pv?u_season=2324&u_season_start=2023&u_season_end=2024&page=3

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Anonymous wrote:Hanging out at the PVS October Open this weekend and studying times to pass the time. I’m noticing there are very few times being swum better than BB and essentially no AAA or AAAA times at all. In an event of 100 or more swimmers in the 11-12s, there might be 3-4 A times and perhaps 1-2 AA times. Sometimes there are no AA times. I thought A was supposed to be top 15% and AA top 8%. What’s going on?

I also don't think A and AA correspond to the same percentiles in the younger age groups. At the spring championship meets an AA time is close to making finals in the younger groups, but in the older groups everyone has an AA time or better. Consider for example that there are 21 AA or better times in 100 free out of 1,176 11-12 boys -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&stroke=1&code=X&sex=M&age=11-12&course=Y&distance=100 -- which puts the AA cut line at the top 1.79% of swimmers. In the same event, there are 249 AA or better times for 17-18 boys out of a much smaller pool or swimmers -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&course=Y&code=X&stroke=1&distance=100&sex=M&age=17-18 -- so in this case AA corresponds to the top 34.7% of swimmers.

The 11-12 AA cut is 58.69, right? So actually only 8 of the 1176 11-12 boys in PVS have that cut. I guess AA is not top 8%, or PVS has a really bad crop of swimmers in that group.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hanging out at the PVS October Open this weekend and studying times to pass the time. I’m noticing there are very few times being swum better than BB and essentially no AAA or AAAA times at all. In an event of 100 or more swimmers in the 11-12s, there might be 3-4 A times and perhaps 1-2 AA times. Sometimes there are no AA times. I thought A was supposed to be top 15% and AA top 8%. What’s going on?

I also don't think A and AA correspond to the same percentiles in the younger age groups. At the spring championship meets an AA time is close to making finals in the younger groups, but in the older groups everyone has an AA time or better. Consider for example that there are 21 AA or better times in 100 free out of 1,176 11-12 boys -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&stroke=1&code=X&sex=M&age=11-12&course=Y&distance=100 -- which puts the AA cut line at the top 1.79% of swimmers. In the same event, there are 249 AA or better times for 17-18 boys out of a much smaller pool or swimmers -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&course=Y&code=X&stroke=1&distance=100&sex=M&age=17-18 -- so in this case AA corresponds to the top 34.7% of swimmers.

The 11-12 AA cut is 58.69, right? So actually only 8 of the 1176 11-12 boys in PVS have that cut. I guess AA is not top 8%, or PVS has a really bad crop of swimmers in that group.

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Anonymous wrote:Hanging out at the PVS October Open this weekend and studying times to pass the time. I’m noticing there are very few times being swum better than BB and essentially no AAA or AAAA times at all. In an event of 100 or more swimmers in the 11-12s, there might be 3-4 A times and perhaps 1-2 AA times. Sometimes there are no AA times. I thought A was supposed to be top 15% and AA top 8%. What’s going on?

I also don't think A and AA correspond to the same percentiles in the younger age groups. At the spring championship meets an AA time is close to making finals in the younger groups, but in the older groups everyone has an AA time or better. Consider for example that there are 21 AA or better times in 100 free out of 1,176 11-12 boys -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&stroke=1&code=X&sex=M&age=11-12&course=Y&distance=100 -- which puts the AA cut line at the top 1.79% of swimmers. In the same event, there are 249 AA or better times for 17-18 boys out of a much smaller pool or swimmers -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&course=Y&code=X&stroke=1&distance=100&sex=M&age=17-18 -- so in this case AA corresponds to the top 34.7% of swimmers.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the age group and the site. We were at Claude Moore and the 11-12 session was absolutely loaded with multiple AAA times. Kids that placed 10th at CM would have been in the top 3 at the other sites.

Interesting. What clubs were swimming Claude Moore?

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Anonymous wrote:Hanging out at the PVS October Open this weekend and studying times to pass the time. I’m noticing there are very few times being swum better than BB and essentially no AAA or AAAA times at all. In an event of 100 or more swimmers in the 11-12s, there might be 3-4 A times and perhaps 1-2 AA times. Sometimes there are no AA times. I thought A was supposed to be top 15% and AA top 8%. What’s going on?

I also don't think A and AA correspond to the same percentiles in the younger age groups. At the spring championship meets an AA time is close to making finals in the younger groups, but in the older groups everyone has an AA time or better. Consider for example that there are 21 AA or better times in 100 free out of 1,176 11-12 boys -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&stroke=1&code=X&sex=M&age=11-12&course=Y&distance=100 -- which puts the AA cut line at the top 1.79% of swimmers. In the same event, there are 249 AA or better times for 17-18 boys out of a much smaller pool or swimmers -- https://swimmerstats.com/strokes.php?lsc=PV&course=Y&code=X&stroke=1&distance=100&sex=M&age=17-18 -- so in this case AA corresponds to the top 34.7% of swimmers.

Anonymous wrote:It depends on the age group and the site. We were at Claude Moore and the 11-12 session was absolutely loaded with multiple AAA times. Kids that placed 10th at CM would have been in the top 3 at the other sites.

Anonymous wrote:Hanging out at the PVS October Open this weekend and studying times to pass the time. I’m noticing there are very few times being swum better than BB and essentially no AAA or AAAA times at all. In an event of 100 or more swimmers in the 11-12s, there might be 3-4 A times and perhaps 1-2 AA times. Sometimes there are no AA times. I thought A was supposed to be top 15% and AA top 8%. What’s going on?

Anonymous wrote:I didn't see RMSC on any of the psych sheets.

Anonymous wrote:I didn't see RMSC on any of the psych sheets.

Anonymous wrote:That seems odd that there are so few AA, but overall, it’s an early season meet and super fast times are often achieved at champs meet and not in Oct. it’s also possible that the more competitive kids passed on this meet or aren’t swimming their best events at a meet like this. They save those for when they’ve trained more.