Anonymous
Post 10/10/2024 14:57     Subject: Re:5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Did the preschool teacher ever bring any of this up?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2024 14:56     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You should get an eval. If the teacher is bringing it up, it’s out of the ordinary and she’s probably seen hundreds if not thousands of kids. It shouldn’t like an autism spectrum disorder but get him tested and see.


I would be grateful she said something (though believe me, I know it's hard to hear.) Would definitely pursue an evaluation and an IEP.


Perhaps. You should be open minded, but no parent should accept reports like this at face value if they haven't observed things that back it up on their end as well.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2024 14:54     Subject: Re:5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:This was my kid at 4.

It was the school. There was one bad teacher who yelled and couldn't manage behavior of other kids in the class. It turns out my child was terrified of the teacher and the wild kids, so they'd "check out" to cope. The "checking out" got my kid labeled as a concern by the teaching team and my kid sensed it.

We switched schools at 5 and the teachers have had nothing to say except that child is a normal, happy kid learning on pace. They have "best friends" at school, they are engaged in the classroom, etc.


+1. We naively fell for "concerns" like this that our K teacher raised about our kid. They swore up and down that it was a great classroom, and that they couldn't figure out what was going on with our kid. At some point, they even told us that our kid came to school angry at us, which was news to us because he was always happy when we dropped him off. Over time, we were able to learn from other parents and from some things we witnessed at pick-up that there were some significant issues in the classroom that were basically left unchecked. Additionally, the "teacher" basically adopted a view that kids need to work there own issues out, so seemed to us that the teacher probably wasn't doing a great job managing the classroom in a way that made everyone feel comfortable and safe. We also realized that the only place our kid had these "issues" was at school. I had to get pretty direct with them, and basically confronted them about what was going on. They continued to deny things to my face but then backed off real quick.

I still burn with anger thinking about it.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 20:03     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:You should get an eval. If the teacher is bringing it up, it’s out of the ordinary and she’s probably seen hundreds if not thousands of kids. It shouldn’t like an autism spectrum disorder but get him tested and see.


I would be grateful she said something (though believe me, I know it's hard to hear.) Would definitely pursue an evaluation and an IEP.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 19:59     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Pragmatic speech issues and social skills issues are much more common in introverted kids than in extroverted kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 19:57     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Look into "Pragmatic Speech". No neuropsych eval would be required. Usually this handled by a Speech Pathologist who has had specific training in this. It is for kids who can speak but have not figured out the social interactions.

Also, look into a "play class" or "social skills" class. Some speech places will have them. Some child psych places will have them. They are small groups of 3-5 kids (with a qualified instructor) where the kids somehow are weak in skills about handling social interactions.

The symptoms you describe might be one of these, rather than a neuropsych issue, and also might not be ADHD. Most ADHD cannot focus enough to be doing well academically across the board. Obviously, exceptions can exist.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 19:47     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

How many kids are in the class and does the feacher have an aide? I also wonder if the environment is too chaotic with too many wild kids and the checked-out behavior is a coping mechanism.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 17:21     Subject: Re:5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This was my kid at 4.

It was the school. There was one bad teacher who yelled and couldn't manage behavior of other kids in the class. It turns out my child was terrified of the teacher and the wild kids, so they'd "check out" to cope. The "checking out" got my kid labeled as a concern by the teaching team and my kid sensed it.

We switched schools at 5 and the teachers have had nothing to say except that child is a normal, happy kid learning on pace. They have "best friends" at school, they are engaged in the classroom, etc.


If there was no issue in preschool, it would be a red flag to me. It could easily be a teacher/environment issue or something more. teachers want kids medicated because its easier for them. Some kids do need medication but its concerning health wise at that young of an age.

I would put it back on her to see what changes she's willing to make to work with your son or she can request an evaluation through the school vs. private one.


You sound like someone that doesn’t have a special needs kid and you are clearly not a teacher. Do you hear yourself? Teachers want kids to be medicated because it’s easier for them? That’s some high level conspiracy $hit. Most preschooler teachers don’t even have a degree. OP already acknowledged there are issues - she said her kid is “sensitive, socially delayed, and can be an introvert.” You aren’t doing OP any favors with your uneducated opinion.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 17:13     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We would greatly appreciate any advice you have, as we are at a loss right now. We do not live in the DC area, but I have read and learned a lot about parenting from this forum.

Our DS started Kindergarten less than two months ago. He has a January birthday, so he is neither the youngest nor the oldest in his class. Overall, he seems to like school. He doesn't talk about school much, but occasionally he brings up school-related topics. When we ask specific questions about school, he usually answers us.

We just had a parent-teacher conference today, and the teacher pointed out several behavioral concerns. He does not really interact with other kids, even if other kids invite him to play. He daydreams and does not pay attention to the teacher. He talks to himself and sings when he's not supposed to. Academically, he's doing really well, even in his public school GT class.

The teacher suggested we seek a psychological evaluation (e.g., ADHD). We will reach out to his pediatrician about this. His teacher's observation is somewhat surprising but not totally out of the blue. DS has always been a bit socially behind; he is also sensitive and a perfectionist, so I know it will take him longer to adjust to Kindergarten. He is an introvert, but he also enjoys playing with other kids. He sometimes plays with stranger kids at the playground, so the teacher's observation that he does not play with his classmates really concerns us. I'm worried that he might be experiencing anxiety, so he uses self-talk as a soothing mechanism, and he kind of shuts himself down, which explains the lack of interaction with other kids.

His preschool teachers never raised similar concerns. DS has several close friends from preschool whom he still plays with. He is engaged in extracurricular classes. In addition to a psychological evaluation (which will be a long wait), are there steps we can take to help him? Could he be experiencing anxiety? Would occupational therapy or any other therapy help? I'd love to hear your thoughts or experiences. TIA.


I am a teacher and parent of teen diagnosed with ADHD in elementary and Autism in middle school. The purpose of a neuropsych evaluation is to tease out what is going on whether it be anxiety, ADHD or autism (or a combination). Preschool teachers do not have the same education or experience as an elementary school teacher and so it isn’t surprising that they did not comment on your child’s behavior. Not only that, your child’s behavior may have fallen in the norm for preschool, but is now outside the norm for kindergarten. Teachers generally don’t recommend a neuropsych evaluation for borderline cases - she is very clearly seeing something she thinks needs further investigating. Your child may benefit from seeing a child therapist or psychologist. They can assess whether there is anxiety and provide their own thoughts at what may be going on.


Agree here. For us, it did not get better during K or into 1st.

In our experience, there can be a long lead time for a neuropsych appt. Call around your area and get in the queue now. Nothing to lose; you can always cancel the exam if things improve between now and then.

--Parent of a young adult who was diagnosed with ADHD in pre-K and Autism by 2nd grade.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 17:08     Subject: Re:5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:This was my kid at 4.

It was the school. There was one bad teacher who yelled and couldn't manage behavior of other kids in the class. It turns out my child was terrified of the teacher and the wild kids, so they'd "check out" to cope. The "checking out" got my kid labeled as a concern by the teaching team and my kid sensed it.

We switched schools at 5 and the teachers have had nothing to say except that child is a normal, happy kid learning on pace. They have "best friends" at school, they are engaged in the classroom, etc.


If there was no issue in preschool, it would be a red flag to me. It could easily be a teacher/environment issue or something more. teachers want kids medicated because its easier for them. Some kids do need medication but its concerning health wise at that young of an age.

I would put it back on her to see what changes she's willing to make to work with your son or she can request an evaluation through the school vs. private one.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 17:06     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Every kindergarten kid would show *some* signs of ADHD. The question is, are your child's symptoms interfering with their ability learn? Are their behaviors interfering with the teacher teaching the class? If no to both, keep an eye on it, and maybe test in the future if you feel it's necessary, but 5 is way too young for an ADHD diagnosis
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 17:06     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

You should get an eval. If the teacher is bringing it up, it’s out of the ordinary and she’s probably seen hundreds if not thousands of kids. It shouldn’t like an autism spectrum disorder but get him tested and see.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 17:01     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

Anonymous wrote:We would greatly appreciate any advice you have, as we are at a loss right now. We do not live in the DC area, but I have read and learned a lot about parenting from this forum.

Our DS started Kindergarten less than two months ago. He has a January birthday, so he is neither the youngest nor the oldest in his class. Overall, he seems to like school. He doesn't talk about school much, but occasionally he brings up school-related topics. When we ask specific questions about school, he usually answers us.

We just had a parent-teacher conference today, and the teacher pointed out several behavioral concerns. He does not really interact with other kids, even if other kids invite him to play. He daydreams and does not pay attention to the teacher. He talks to himself and sings when he's not supposed to. Academically, he's doing really well, even in his public school GT class.

The teacher suggested we seek a psychological evaluation (e.g., ADHD). We will reach out to his pediatrician about this. His teacher's observation is somewhat surprising but not totally out of the blue. DS has always been a bit socially behind; he is also sensitive and a perfectionist, so I know it will take him longer to adjust to Kindergarten. He is an introvert, but he also enjoys playing with other kids. He sometimes plays with stranger kids at the playground, so the teacher's observation that he does not play with his classmates really concerns us. I'm worried that he might be experiencing anxiety, so he uses self-talk as a soothing mechanism, and he kind of shuts himself down, which explains the lack of interaction with other kids.

His preschool teachers never raised similar concerns. DS has several close friends from preschool whom he still plays with. He is engaged in extracurricular classes. In addition to a psychological evaluation (which will be a long wait), are there steps we can take to help him? Could he be experiencing anxiety? Would occupational therapy or any other therapy help? I'd love to hear your thoughts or experiences. TIA.


I am a teacher and parent of teen diagnosed with ADHD in elementary and Autism in middle school. The purpose of a neuropsych evaluation is to tease out what is going on whether it be anxiety, ADHD or autism (or a combination). Preschool teachers do not have the same education or experience as an elementary school teacher and so it isn’t surprising that they did not comment on your child’s behavior. Not only that, your child’s behavior may have fallen in the norm for preschool, but is now outside the norm for kindergarten. Teachers generally don’t recommend a neuropsych evaluation for borderline cases - she is very clearly seeing something she thinks needs further investigating. Your child may benefit from seeing a child therapist or psychologist. They can assess whether there is anxiety and provide their own thoughts at what may be going on.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 16:41     Subject: Re:5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

This was my kid at 4.

It was the school. There was one bad teacher who yelled and couldn't manage behavior of other kids in the class. It turns out my child was terrified of the teacher and the wild kids, so they'd "check out" to cope. The "checking out" got my kid labeled as a concern by the teaching team and my kid sensed it.

We switched schools at 5 and the teachers have had nothing to say except that child is a normal, happy kid learning on pace. They have "best friends" at school, they are engaged in the classroom, etc.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2024 14:55     Subject: 5-year-old behavior issues in Kindergarten - what should we do?

We would greatly appreciate any advice you have, as we are at a loss right now. We do not live in the DC area, but I have read and learned a lot about parenting from this forum.

Our DS started Kindergarten less than two months ago. He has a January birthday, so he is neither the youngest nor the oldest in his class. Overall, he seems to like school. He doesn't talk about school much, but occasionally he brings up school-related topics. When we ask specific questions about school, he usually answers us.

We just had a parent-teacher conference today, and the teacher pointed out several behavioral concerns. He does not really interact with other kids, even if other kids invite him to play. He daydreams and does not pay attention to the teacher. He talks to himself and sings when he's not supposed to. Academically, he's doing really well, even in his public school GT class.

The teacher suggested we seek a psychological evaluation (e.g., ADHD). We will reach out to his pediatrician about this. His teacher's observation is somewhat surprising but not totally out of the blue. DS has always been a bit socially behind; he is also sensitive and a perfectionist, so I know it will take him longer to adjust to Kindergarten. He is an introvert, but he also enjoys playing with other kids. He sometimes plays with stranger kids at the playground, so the teacher's observation that he does not play with his classmates really concerns us. I'm worried that he might be experiencing anxiety, so he uses self-talk as a soothing mechanism, and he kind of shuts himself down, which explains the lack of interaction with other kids.

His preschool teachers never raised similar concerns. DS has several close friends from preschool whom he still plays with. He is engaged in extracurricular classes. In addition to a psychological evaluation (which will be a long wait), are there steps we can take to help him? Could he be experiencing anxiety? Would occupational therapy or any other therapy help? I'd love to hear your thoughts or experiences. TIA.