Anonymous
Post 09/27/2024 12:18     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
In my case, I'm looking for the less competitive clubs. I know my daughter is not going to make Paramount, or even Vienna Elite, but I think she's one step above a No Panic or XFactor. Trying to figure out what that level is. Braddock Road maybe. We'll still try out for some of the better clubs, but we have to pick and choose because of overlapping tryout schedules. JFC this is complicated.
Anonymous
Post 09/26/2024 22:14     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
FPYCparent wrote:I don't want to start a new thread yet, but ...

Here's a 2024-2025 CHRVA Clubs spreadsheet (Google Sheets) that's similar to one I used for my player last year.

I've started with the 18s page since that age group usually has a shorter club schedule. I'll try to add another age group each day.

I have intentionally protected parts of each worksheet. Some folks like to get into a document like this and start moving stuff around. By protecting portions of each worksheet, I'm hoping to minimize permanent damage. If you want to muck with the data, you can export your own copy.

If you have a particular club in mind, feel free to add it to the right of the vertical black bar on the appropriate age group worksheet. Fill in as much info as you can, following the format of the data that's already there.

I'll move columns to the protected side of each worksheet after a quick sanity check. I realize that some of the same info will work for multiple age groups, so I'll copy-and-paste accordingly. I intend to keep the clubs in alphabetical order going from left to right.

Have fun with it!


THIS IS AMAZING. THANK YOU!!!
FPYCparent
Post 09/25/2024 22:32     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
I don't want to start a new thread yet, but ...

Here's a 2024-2025 CHRVA Clubs spreadsheet (Google Sheets) that's similar to one I used for my player last year.

I've started with the 18s page since that age group usually has a shorter club schedule. I'll try to add another age group each day.

I have intentionally protected parts of each worksheet. Some folks like to get into a document like this and start moving stuff around. By protecting portions of each worksheet, I'm hoping to minimize permanent damage. If you want to muck with the data, you can export your own copy.

If you have a particular club in mind, feel free to add it to the right of the vertical black bar on the appropriate age group worksheet. Fill in as much info as you can, following the format of the data that's already there.

I'll move columns to the protected side of each worksheet after a quick sanity check. I realize that some of the same info will work for multiple age groups, so I'll copy-and-paste accordingly. I intend to keep the clubs in alphabetical order going from left to right.

Have fun with it!
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 18:06     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

This. Having this list organized by competiveness is theoretically a great idea, but practically impossible.

Why?


See the PP point about variation by age group, number of teams, tournament competition level, overall tournament difficulty, etc.

For example--winning 6 matches in open at a local mixed tournament is a lot easier than winning six matches in middle division at a qualifier, which is six matches in open at a regional tournament which is a lot easier than winning 6 matches in either open or national or USA in USA nationals or their equivalents at AAU nationals.

Now consider if team goes 6-0 at the local tournament and 0-6 at a qualifier, how do we know who is more competitive? You can't, unless you know who they played. The whole reason AES exists is to try to solve that problem by comparing teams as they play each other. It generally does decently well if you look at the national ranks and not the regional ranks. There are exceptions--there are some clubs/teams in the region that overweight on local tournaments, especially mixed tournaments where there is high variability in competition.

The closest proxy we have to a real tier list is who is trying for regional bids, and the system that CHRVA uses to do that is.....AES national ranking.

You can see who attended bids for 2024 https://results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMzM2MDI90/home and 2023 https://results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMzAwMzA90/home on AES as well.

Personally, I'd look more at the clubs that attended than the specific teams, because it will tell you the clubs that are capable of getting teams into the bid tournament. Because there are usually teams that at some of those clubs that elect not to compete for bids due to scheduling or lack of desire to attend nationals. At the U12 level last year, around half of the top 12 teams didn't try for a bid.


Whoops, typo. Should have said
For example--winning 6 matches in at a local mixed tournament is a lot easier than winning six matches in middle division at a qualifier, which is a easier than winning 6 matches in either open or national or USA in USA nationals or their equivalents at AAU nationals.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 18:04     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:

This. Having this list organized by competiveness is theoretically a great idea, but practically impossible.

Why?


See the PP point about variation by age group, number of teams, tournament competition level, overall tournament difficulty, etc.

For example--winning 6 matches in open at a local mixed tournament is a lot easier than winning six matches in middle division at a qualifier, which is six matches in open at a regional tournament which is a lot easier than winning 6 matches in either open or national or USA in USA nationals or their equivalents at AAU nationals.

Now consider if team goes 6-0 at the local tournament and 0-6 at a qualifier, how do we know who is more competitive? You can't, unless you know who they played. The whole reason AES exists is to try to solve that problem by comparing teams as they play each other. It generally does decently well if you look at the national ranks and not the regional ranks. There are exceptions--there are some clubs/teams in the region that overweight on local tournaments, especially mixed tournaments where there is high variability in competition.

The closest proxy we have to a real tier list is who is trying for regional bids, and the system that CHRVA uses to do that is.....AES national ranking.

You can see who attended bids for 2024 https://results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMzM2MDI90/home and 2023 https://results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMzAwMzA90/home on AES as well.

Personally, I'd look more at the clubs that attended than the specific teams, because it will tell you the clubs that are capable of getting teams into the bid tournament. Because there are usually teams that at some of those clubs that elect not to compete for bids due to scheduling or lack of desire to attend nationals. At the U12 level last year, around half of the top 12 teams didn't try for a bid.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 17:57     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I also found this, which ranks the Chesapeake area teams by how well they did last year by age range. So that actually does the job pretty well:

https://www.advancedeventsystems.com/rankings/Female/U15/aes


This. Having this list organized by competiveness is theoretically a great idea, but practically impossible.


Why?


See the answer of a previous poster (15:54). You can safely place Paramount at the top of the list, but it is hard to organize the clubs in an order that would be valid for all age groups. Some clubs have multiple teams for one age group and they will be more or less competitive compared to those in other clubs. If you are interested in a specific age group, then you can use the rankings on https://www.advancedeventsystems.com/ to get your answer. The answer might be different for a different age group.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 17:40     Subject: Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
In addition to price, it would be good to indicate which of them have both a regional and national club. For example, I just learned by calling Libero that my daughter can be considered for both national and regional teams at the same club tryout but *she needs to tell them at the tryouts that she wants to be considered for both*. It's like a secret menu. Maddening.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 17:21     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:I also found this, which ranks the Chesapeake area teams by how well they did last year by age range. So that actually does the job pretty well:

https://www.advancedeventsystems.com/rankings/Female/U15/aes


Follow up question with the historical rankings. If we are looking at U15 teams, should we be looking at U14 rankings to see the teams from last year and possibly returning players/competition or the U15 teams? Sometimes there is a drastic difference.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 17:07     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I also found this, which ranks the Chesapeake area teams by how well they did last year by age range. So that actually does the job pretty well:

https://www.advancedeventsystems.com/rankings/Female/U15/aes


This. Having this list organized by competiveness is theoretically a great idea, but practically impossible.


Why?
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 17:06     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Bonus points if we can get total cost in there. The difference in price is substantial sometimes and doesn't seem to equate to competitiveness necessarily.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 17:03     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:I also found this, which ranks the Chesapeake area teams by how well they did last year by age range. So that actually does the job pretty well:

https://www.advancedeventsystems.com/rankings/Female/U15/aes


This. Having this list organized by competiveness is theoretically a great idea, but practically impossible.
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 16:50     Subject: Re:Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
I also found this, which ranks the Chesapeake area teams by how well they did last year by age range. So that actually does the job pretty well:

https://www.advancedeventsystems.com/rankings/Female/U15/aes
Anonymous
Post 09/25/2024 15:54     Subject: Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to figure out where to prioritize tryout registrations. Can someone do me (and probably several other volleyball parents) the huge favor of breaking these down by tier. I know there's another thread that covers the differences between National and American and Regional, which was helpful, but I just need to understand level of competitiveness from highest to lowest. I'm sure this is missing some, too so maybe we can add to the list and this can become a comprehensive resource.

  • Alexandria Titans Volleyball Club (Alexandria / Fairfax)
    American Volleyball Club (Prince William)
    Battle Volleyball Club (Prince William) - Includes Boys Teams
    Blue Ridge Volleyball Club (Frederick / Clarke)
    Braddock Road Volleyball Club (BRYC) (Fairfax)
    Capital Volleyball Club - New in 2023-2024
    Dulles South Youth Sports (DSYS) Volleyball (Loudoun)
    Dynamix Volleyball Club (Fauquier)
    East Coast Power DC (Fairfax)
    Go Volley Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Clarke / Frederick)
    Grit Volleyball Club, formerly Dulles (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Libero Volleyball Club ( Loudoun, Fairfax)
    Loudoun Elite Volleyball Club (Loudoun)
    Major Impact Volleyball Club (Prince William)
    Manassas Volleyball Club (Prince William)
    Metro Volleyball Club - South (Fairfax / Arlington / Alexandria)
    Monument Volleyball Club (Alexandria / Arlington / Fairfax) - Includes Boys Teams
    No Panic Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax) - Includes Boys Teams
    Northern Virginia Volleyball Association (NVVA) (Loudoun / Fairfax) - Includes Boys Teams
    Paramount Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Southwestern Youth Association (SYA) Volleyball Club (Fairfax)
    The St. James (Fairfax / Arlington / Alexandria) - Includes Boys Teams
    Tier One Volleyball Club (Loudoun)
    VA Juniors Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Vienna Elite Volleyball Club (Fairfax / Loudoun)
    Virginia Elite Volleyball Club (VA Elite) (Fairfax)
    Virginia United Volleyball Club (Arlington / Alexandria / Fairfax)
    Virginia Volleyball Academy (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Volleyball Viet Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Warrenton Youth Sports Club (WYSC) (Fauquier)
    X-Factor Volleyball Club (Alexandria / Arlington / Fairfax)


    • Great list, but don't do a tier list on competitiveness unless you do it by age group and team level.

    Generic lists of Club A > Club B are not very helpful. Just because a team is very competitive at some ages doesn't mean every team in the club is at the same competitive level. And just because a team doesn't compete at the highest level possible doesn't mean they aren't more competitive than those that do.

    Open, National, American and Regional or the equivalent is used by most clubs to describe their teams, so maybe someone can create a list that shows that.
    Anonymous
    Post 09/25/2024 15:13     Subject: Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
    I can't tell if the Alexandria Titans still exist. Their website's out of date, and have gotten zero response when trying to reach them over the past couple of months.
    Anonymous
    Post 09/25/2024 15:05     Subject: Comprehensive NOVA Volleyball Clubs Organized by Competiteveness
    I'm trying to figure out where to prioritize tryout registrations. Can someone do me (and probably several other volleyball parents) the huge favor of breaking these down by tier. I know there's another thread that covers the differences between National and American and Regional, which was helpful, but I just need to understand level of competitiveness from highest to lowest. I'm sure this is missing some, too so maybe we can add to the list and this can become a comprehensive resource.

  • Alexandria Titans Volleyball Club (Alexandria / Fairfax)
    American Volleyball Club (Prince William)
    Battle Volleyball Club (Prince William) - Includes Boys Teams
    Blue Ridge Volleyball Club (Frederick / Clarke)
    Braddock Road Volleyball Club (BRYC) (Fairfax)
    Capital Volleyball Club - New in 2023-2024
    Dulles South Youth Sports (DSYS) Volleyball (Loudoun)
    Dynamix Volleyball Club (Fauquier)
    East Coast Power DC (Fairfax)
    Go Volley Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Clarke / Frederick)
    Grit Volleyball Club, formerly Dulles (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Libero Volleyball Club ( Loudoun, Fairfax)
    Loudoun Elite Volleyball Club (Loudoun)
    Major Impact Volleyball Club (Prince William)
    Manassas Volleyball Club (Prince William)
    Metro Volleyball Club - South (Fairfax / Arlington / Alexandria)
    Monument Volleyball Club (Alexandria / Arlington / Fairfax) - Includes Boys Teams
    No Panic Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax) - Includes Boys Teams
    Northern Virginia Volleyball Association (NVVA) (Loudoun / Fairfax) - Includes Boys Teams
    Paramount Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Southwestern Youth Association (SYA) Volleyball Club (Fairfax)
    The St. James (Fairfax / Arlington / Alexandria) - Includes Boys Teams
    Tier One Volleyball Club (Loudoun)
    VA Juniors Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Vienna Elite Volleyball Club (Fairfax / Loudoun)
    Virginia Elite Volleyball Club (VA Elite) (Fairfax)
    Virginia United Volleyball Club (Arlington / Alexandria / Fairfax)
    Virginia Volleyball Academy (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Volleyball Viet Volleyball Club (Loudoun / Fairfax)
    Warrenton Youth Sports Club (WYSC) (Fauquier)
    X-Factor Volleyball Club (Alexandria / Arlington / Fairfax)