Anonymous wrote:Application Nation advice: depends on school, major and transcript/rigor profile

Sara H generally says if more than 40% of last class admitted TO, then if you are a majority candidate, only submit if over the 50%.

But you are STEM, analysis might be more complicated: you may have to submit though bc those candidates held to higher standard (given how much competition there is), esp if the SAT score discrepancy shows an extraordinarily strong math score.

She has also successfully encouraged some clients not to submit a 34, bc averages moved up.

At a true TO school, Admissions officers don’t assume a “low score”, unless the rest of the application is weak - in which case your score was never going to help you anyway

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any answers but I really feel for kids who have strong test scores for the schools they are applying to if they look at pre-TO scores

Bingo. My DD's score is in the high 1400s, which puts her in the 50-75th range pre-TO for a top choice....but the range has moved about 70 points since then...which puts it at the 25th percentile. The advice they are currently getting from their (private) counselor is to not submit but she is concerned they will assume it is lower.

Major?
Rigor of HS?
Transcript?
Anything unusual or extraordinary in her activities or awards?

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have any answers but I really feel for kids who have strong test scores for the schools they are applying to if they look at pre-TO scores

Bingo. My DD's score is in the high 1400s, which puts her in the 50-75th range pre-TO for a top choice....but the range has moved about 70 points since then...which puts it at the 25th percentile. The advice they are currently getting from their (private) counselor is to not submit but she is concerned they will assume it is lower.

Application Nation advice: depends on school, major and transcript/rigor profile

Sara H generally says if more than 40% of last class admitted TO, then if you are a majority candidate, only submit if over the 50%.

But you are STEM, analysis might be more complicated: you may have to submit though bc those candidates held to higher standard (given how much competition there is), esp if the SAT score discrepancy shows an extraordinarily strong math score.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone's kid ever contacted an AO to ask for guidance on submitting test scores? It seems like it really may be school dependent and it is causing a lot of stress figuring it out.

Are you the same poster that started a thread specific to UMD and test submission?

OP here. No, I am not.

Anonymous wrote:I am seeing a lot of shifts for some kids whose top choices flipped back to test required.

I'm not sure I understand this comment- what do you mean by "shifts for some kids whose top choices flipped backed to test required"? Can you say more please?

Anonymous wrote:Ask your CCO. Or the rep in person if rep scheduled to come to school this fall?

My kid asked a T20 rep when at private school yesterday (Rep there in person). Kid is ED1. Kid waiting till end after others had left.
Told rep score, and major choice. Rep said don't submit (and also gave a TON of advice for the application).

what was kids score and what was 25 last year and what was 25 in 2019?
thanks!

Only one data point for one specific school, but you can absolutely email the Dean of Admissions at Connecticut College and if you provide some basis stats (e.g., GPA, rank if any, AP/IB courses or some other proxy for rigor) including your test scores he will give you a quick read on if your score would help or hurt your candidacy. My DC did this and both us us were a little surprised to hear that they shouldn't submit. Score was above the 75% but he said in the context of their review system, the GPA and rigor of coursework would score very high and the SAT score would not necessarily help.

I am seeing a lot of shifts for some kids whose top choices flipped back to test required.

I think openness depends on the school and there is no harm asking. Although I would try to ask anonymously in a virtual session…why risk the AO knowing your kid’s score that you potentially want to prevent them from seeing…

Some schools have said “submit your score if it is a good reflection on academic profile” so basically a non answer. And others were super direct “do not submit below 1450”

Ask your CCO. Or the rep in person if rep scheduled to come to school this fall?

My kid asked a T20 rep when at private school yesterday (Rep there in person). Kid is ED1. Kid waiting till end after others had left.
Told rep score, and major choice. Rep said don't submit (and also gave a TON of advice for the application).

If they have access to one of those great AOs who texts students they want and will bend over backwards for - yes, why not?

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone's kid ever contacted an AO to ask for guidance on submitting test scores? It seems like it really may be school dependent and it is causing a lot of stress figuring it out.

Are you the same poster that started a thread specific to UMD and test submission?

I don’t have any answers but I really feel for kids who have strong test scores for the schools they are applying to if they look at pre-TO scores

Has anyone's kid ever contacted an AO to ask for guidance on submitting test scores? It seems like it really may be school dependent and it is causing a lot of stress figuring it out.