Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 23:34     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


It is not though. Median at UPenn is 1540, Duke is 1550, JHU is 1550. 1510 is at or below 25% for all three schools: Penn (1510-1560), Duke (1520-1570), and JHU (1530-1560).

MIT and Cal Tech were the only two colleges pre covid with average SATs > 1500. None of these schools have anywhere near the averages advertised, if everyone's scores had been included. Since almost all of the top 20 is going test required or preferred, it's likely the current average SATs which exclude TO, will drop over the next two cycles.


INCORRECT. Duke was 1480-1560 , 25th-75th %ile the last pre-TO year,& PENN was 1460-1570. Neither school lists the median but one can infer it is above 1500. Cannot find JHU but it was not on our list as one of the group with the +1500 scores pre-test optional.
We tracked all of this for our HS '22 grad and have a spreadsheet. All the ivies besides Cornell and Dartmouth had a median 1500+ (Brown was the 3rd lowest ivy right on 1500). as well as MIT Caltech Stanford Vanderbilt and Duke. Our private college counselor advised targeting schools and deciding submission based on the pre-TO data.


NP: based on those numbers, OP's kid should submit scores to Duke and Penn.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 23:31     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


It is not though. Median at UPenn is 1540, Duke is 1550, JHU is 1550. 1510 is at or below 25% for all three schools: Penn (1510-1560), Duke (1520-1570), and JHU (1530-1560).

MIT and Cal Tech were the only two colleges pre covid with average SATs > 1500. None of these schools have anywhere near the averages advertised, if everyone's scores had been included. Since almost all of the top 20 is going test required or preferred, it's likely the current average SATs which exclude TO, will drop over the next two cycles.


INCORRECT. Duke was 1480-1560 , 25th-75th %ile the last pre-TO year,& PENN was 1460-1570. Neither school lists the median but one can infer it is above 1500. Cannot find JHU but it was not on our list as one of the group with the +1500 scores pre-test optional.
We tracked all of this for our HS '22 grad and have a spreadsheet. All the ivies besides Cornell and Dartmouth had a median 1500+ (Brown was the 3rd lowest ivy right on 1500). as well as MIT Caltech Stanford Vanderbilt and Duke. Our private college counselor advised targeting schools and deciding submission based on the pre-TO data.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 23:30     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
I'd submit. Odds are low either way due to competition from peers Lots of magnet kids w 4.0
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 23:17     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:DC is MCPS magnet GPA 4.0, SAT 1510, should go TO for JHU, DUKE and UPENN RD pool or should submit the SAT which is low compare to peers?


If this is a weighted 4.0 then it is very low and they will not get in. However a 1510 should be submitted everywhere.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 23:12     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
I would go TO and I would NOT apply RD.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 16:21     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
I would absolutely submit. They will assume a much lower score. Those are all weird inflated, test-optional era median GPAs.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 16:00     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


It is not though. Median at UPenn is 1540, Duke is 1550, JHU is 1550. 1510 is at or below 25% for all three schools: Penn (1510-1560), Duke (1520-1570), and JHU (1530-1560).

MIT and Cal Tech were the only two colleges pre covid with average SATs > 1500. None of these schools have anywhere near the averages advertised, if everyone's scores had been included. Since almost all of the top 20 is going test required or preferred, it's likely the current average SATs which exclude TO, will drop over the next two cycles.


I agree they will go up if everyone goes back to test required, but for now you are being compared to people who submit, and these scores are higher than 1510. I'm not saying don't submit, but don't think 1510 wil be the median score at these three schools.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 15:57     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


I agree. If you don’t submit, they will probably assume a much lower score. I personally would submit 1500 + anywhere.


Agree.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 15:54     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


It is not though. Median at UPenn is 1540, Duke is 1550, JHU is 1550. 1510 is at or below 25% for all three schools: Penn (1510-1560), Duke (1520-1570), and JHU (1530-1560).

MIT and Cal Tech were the only two colleges pre covid with average SATs > 1500. None of these schools have anywhere near the averages advertised, if everyone's scores had been included. Since almost all of the top 20 is going test required or preferred, it's likely the current average SATs which exclude TO, will drop over the next two cycles.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 15:46     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


It is not though. Median at UPenn is 1540, Duke is 1550, JHU is 1550. 1510 is at or below 25% for all three schools: Penn (1510-1560), Duke (1520-1570), and JHU (1530-1560).
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 14:20     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Anonymous wrote:I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.


I agree. If you don’t submit, they will probably assume a much lower score. I personally would submit 1500 + anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 14:19     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
Submit.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 14:17     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
I say submit because it's around or above the median SAT scores for these colleges.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 14:00     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2024 13:58     Subject: JHU, DUKE, UPENN RD and SAT
DC is MCPS magnet GPA 4.0, SAT 1510, should go TO for JHU, DUKE and UPENN RD pool or should submit the SAT which is low compare to peers?