How do you find out about violations?

Family Child Care Provider here.
Those violations happens mostly in child care centers because they have a lot kids so they hire A Lot of people. Aides rotates class to class. Sometimes they don't like the job or are fired and then the center hires new people.

But before you hire someone you must submit the paperwork first. It's hard when an aide quits then what are you gonna do?

Tell parents to not bring their children to the center because they are understaff?

It's hard for the director and the parents

Anonymous wrote:It’s not uncommon for day care to hire undocumented workers especially during a staffing shortage. It takes time to find to find (not to mention competent) day care staff. You either need to have a tolerance for some of this stuff or rethink your childcare arrangements. I was fine with the minor paperwork stuff but even left when my daycare did hire undocumented staff.

Many citizens with all the education and paperwork can be abusive too.

Don't assume all undocumented people are bad workers.

Just like not all white men are mass sh000ters.

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Anonymous wrote:This is silly paperwork. Does not mean none of them were completed, it just means that it was not documented. It has thus been documented. I do not see this as a big deal at all. There is no harming or neglecting of children.

But if they aren't checking past references, maybe they were fired for harming a child and the new center has no idea.

It could be that or, it could be that they ARE checking, and they’re just not documenting that they checked. I believe there’s paperwork they need to file with signatures and such. It could be as minor is not having a signature on one of the documents.

Anonymous wrote:This is silly paperwork. Does not mean none of them were completed, it just means that it was not documented. It has thus been documented. I do not see this as a big deal at all. There is no harming or neglecting of children.

But if they aren't checking past references, maybe they were fired for harming a child and the new center has no idea.

Anonymous wrote:As a center owner here is my take on the violations. I agree that these are not really serious violations but I would be concerned about any repeat violations and a general lack of organization. I wouldn't write the place off but I would ask about them.

+1 this

By themselves it's not the end of the world but it suggests a lack of attention to detail bordering on disregard for the rules.

Anonymous wrote:Daycare worker here and that looks like bad record keeping to me.

The language they use for violations is extremely alarming and sometimes at the whim of whoever is checking. We were flagged for hazardous chemicals within reach of children. It was a hand sanitizer on top of a shelf, which we are allowed to have. We immediately removed it, we disputed it, but it’s still in our record. To a parent it might look like we keep bleach inside the cribs.

It’s a good thing you’re reading the report and ask the daycare what happened in those situations so you’ll get a clear picture. They should give you honest answers so you can make an informed decision on where to place your children.

Right! Ours had something like unsafe storage of food and a staff member had put her own yogurt in with the kids food, or a parent mislabeled something.

As a center owner here is my take on the violations. I agree that these are not really serious violations but I would be concerned about any repeat violations and a general lack of organization. I wouldn't write the place off but I would ask about them.

You get what you pay for when it comes to babysitting, and it is not cheap.

It can cost a couple as much in daycare and babysitting and schooling, as a second career would make, so it often makes more sense for one parent to be a stay-at-home parent instead and handle those themselves.

This is silly paperwork. Does not mean none of them were completed, it just means that it was not documented. It has thus been documented. I do not see this as a big deal at all. There is no harming or neglecting of children.

If it's recommended and I was in a pinch I would consider this daycare. But I'd want to look at other options. These violations are not dealbreakers but they are concerning signs that this is not a very high quality daycare.

It’s not uncommon for day care to hire undocumented workers especially during a staffing shortage. It takes time to find to find (not to mention competent) day care staff. You either need to have a tolerance for some of this stuff or rethink your childcare arrangements. I was fine with the minor paperwork stuff but even left when my daycare did hire undocumented staff.

Daycare worker here and that looks like bad record keeping to me.

The language they use for violations is extremely alarming and sometimes at the whim of whoever is checking. We were flagged for hazardous chemicals within reach of children. It was a hand sanitizer on top of a shelf, which we are allowed to have. We immediately removed it, we disputed it, but it’s still in our record. To a parent it might look like we keep bleach inside the cribs.

It’s a good thing you’re reading the report and ask the daycare what happened in those situations so you’ll get a clear picture. They should give you honest answers so you can make an informed decision on where to place your children.

I’d guess they are desperate for staff and are bringing people on before the entire process is complete. Their other option might be to close down.

What would concern me more would be bringing someone on before a background check was completed. The stuff mentioned isn’t even the sort of thing where you can guarantee receipt of reliable information.

What also might concern me is the amount of staff they are hiring in a short period of time because likely that means a lot of turnover. But most centers probably experience the same level of turnover.

Been touring daycares for my 1 year old… the violations are frightening. I have not been able to find a daycare that isn’t fraught with violations. There is a center that my friend recommended (she has a toddler there) but I saw their report. Would these violations be a dealbreaker?



“Repeat violation.
Based on records reviewed, 6 of 7 staff records did not include documentation of required information.

Evidence:

1. Staff #1 - 1 of 2 reference checks did not include documentation of the results.
2. Staff #3 - 0 of 2 reference checks signed to identify who conducted the reference checks, the date the reference checks were completed, documentation of verification of job-related experience, including dates of employment.
3. Staff #4 - No date of employment, staff emergency contact information, 0 of 2 reference checks and no related employment documented.
4. Staff #6 - No documentation of education/experience or training was verified to qualify the staff person for their current lead teacher position.
6. Staff #7 - No documentation of dates associated with the previous job-related employment.
Plan of Correction: 1. Some of these items were on file at the time of the visit, please see the attached.
2. Correction now in place.
3. Correction now in place.
4. Correction now in place.
5. Correction now in place.
6. On file at time of visit.
Standard #: 8VAC20-780-240-C”

What is going on with having a bunch of teachers without documentation of experience? Is it bad record keeping or are they hiring a bunch of unqualified workers?