Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 14:02     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:California Institute of Technology (982)
Dartmouth (4458)
Rice (4494)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4657)
Princeton (5604)
Johns Hopkins (6044)
Duke (6640)
Yale (6645)
Vanderbilt (7151)
Harvard (7240)
University of Chicago (7470)
Brown (7639)
Stanford (8049)
Northwestern (8659)
Columbia (8832)
University of Notre Dame (8971)
University of Pennsylvania (9760)
Cornell (15735)
University of California, Los Angeles (32423)
University of California, Berkeley (32831)


Berkeley and UCLA are test blind. Shouldn't even factor into this


Swap them out for whatever the next two schools would be. The point is that there are clearly lots of kids at these top schools that are just normal smart kids. You don't have to be a 99th percentile student to get into a great school.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:50     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
I recommend that you don't use superscoring in this analysis. Superscoring seems like a public relations gesture to stressed out students. Rather than something that really impacts a lot of candidates to get them admitted. And you don't have any data on what improvements are typically seen with superscoring. Any assumptions might be quite off.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:44     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)



Source: https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ca.research.publish/Research_Briefs_2022/2022_12_09_Apps_Per_Applicant_ResearchBrief.pdf


Thank you.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:42     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:California Institute of Technology (982)
Dartmouth (4458)
Rice (4494)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4657)
Princeton (5604)
Johns Hopkins (6044)
Duke (6640)
Yale (6645)
Vanderbilt (7151)
Harvard (7240)
University of Chicago (7470)
Brown (7639)
Stanford (8049)
Northwestern (8659)
Columbia (8832)
University of Notre Dame (8971)
University of Pennsylvania (9760)
Cornell (15735)
University of California, Los Angeles (32423)
University of California, Berkeley (32831)


Berkeley and UCLA are test blind. Shouldn't even factor into this
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:40     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)



Source: https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ca.research.publish/Research_Briefs_2022/2022_12_09_Apps_Per_Applicant_ResearchBrief.pdf
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:40     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
The number from a 2022 Common App report:

76,747 students applied to college with ACT/SAT scores >1500 (99%)

Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:34     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:With superscoring, there are probably 100,000 99th percentiles.


Please, if you are going to make an assertion like this, cite a reference. I’m not criticizing you specifically but it would be helpful to others if they could see the bases for assumptions that are presented as facts on this august forum.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:24     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:With superscoring, there are probably 100,000 99th percentiles.


So they are closer to 97+ percentiles?
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 13:21     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
California Institute of Technology (982)
Dartmouth (4458)
Rice (4494)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4657)
Princeton (5604)
Johns Hopkins (6044)
Duke (6640)
Yale (6645)
Vanderbilt (7151)
Harvard (7240)
University of Chicago (7470)
Brown (7639)
Stanford (8049)
Northwestern (8659)
Columbia (8832)
University of Notre Dame (8971)
University of Pennsylvania (9760)
Cornell (15735)
University of California, Los Angeles (32423)
University of California, Berkeley (32831)
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 12:53     Subject: Re:T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Most of the schools in the Top 20 have between 1000-2000 freshman each year. So not sure how you get such a high number. Unless including some huge state schools, in which case most will be in-state and don’t necessarily have 99% test scores.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 10:42     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are roughly 2 million SAT takers and 1.4 million ACT takers. A proportion take both.

Assuming there are 3 million test takers. 1% yields 30,000 who are in the 99th percentile.

With superscoring, that number at least doubles, so one is looking at 60,000 students scoring in the 99th percentile.


I can't find the link but I just saw a dataset that said 48,000 scored 1530+. That was the 99th percentile cut-off I used. If you use 1500+ then there are a lot more.


Oops.... 12,000+

I should slow down and think before I click submit
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 10:41     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
With superscoring, there are probably 100,000 99th percentiles.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 10:41     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Anonymous wrote:There are roughly 2 million SAT takers and 1.4 million ACT takers. A proportion take both.

Assuming there are 3 million test takers. 1% yields 30,000 who are in the 99th percentile.

With superscoring, that number at least doubles, so one is looking at 60,000 students scoring in the 99th percentile.


I can't find the link but I just saw a dataset that said 48,000 scored 1530+. That was the 99th percentile cut-off I used. If you use 1500+ then there are a lot more.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 10:33     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
There are roughly 2 million SAT takers and 1.4 million ACT takers. A proportion take both.

Assuming there are 3 million test takers. 1% yields 30,000 who are in the 99th percentile.

With superscoring, that number at least doubles, so one is looking at 60,000 students scoring in the 99th percentile.
Anonymous
Post 09/13/2024 10:09     Subject: T20 undergraduate population vs # of available 99th percentile students
Because I'm bored... if there are roughly 195,000 undergraduates students in the top 20... and roughly 48,750-ish incoming freshman... and only 12,000-ish 99th percentile test scorers... doesn't that mean only 25% of these students are in the top percentile?

That means don't worry if your kid doesn't score in the 99th percentile. There is plenty of room for them. Go ahead and apply and use your scores.