Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 13:24     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Is it really a disaster? I mean yes, I wish club soccer was not so expensive and the focus on winning at the young age can be over the top, but is the USMNT that bad? I'd say having our best athletes gravitate to football, basketball, baseball tends to water us down some. Also college sports for football and basketball are U21 pro-style systems. Have you watched a doc on Alabama or Florida football programs? They have separate dorms, full time scouts, etc etc. They treat them like pros. There is no "student" athlete in football and basketball.

I think the biggest thing to boost the US would simply be for our country to watch more pro soccer so that could trickle down to colleges. Better college soccer and more opportunities there would trickle down. ECNL and MLS next are good programs for top players
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 13:24     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:I recently when down an internet rabbit hole to understand why the US doesn't have better soccer players. The most interesting theory, that I think is likely on point, is that soccer in the US is too structured. Kids only play in leagues but don't play in organic street games like they do in many parts of the world. It's in those informal settings that kids develop the best skills. Think of basketball in the US - many of the top players grew up playing in their streets or neighborhood courts, they weren't shuttled around every weekend to be coached.


This is not the only or leading reason, but this is a big reason in my view - think also of how kids play pickup basketball with adults when they hit a certain threshold of growth and/or speed. We don't have a critical mass of people watching and playing soccer at the levels necessary to produce the MNTs that you might otherwise expect. That's simply not going to change for a very, very long time. And it has nothing to do with pay-to-play or parental culture or for-profit incentives for MLS Clubs (which give them a very, very strong incentive to identify and sell talent more effectively than any fantasy of taking money out of sports).
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:40     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

I don’t buy any of these arguments that it’s the league structures, or parents, or money, as the reason for US soccer failures. All of these same things exist in the US for other sports where we still excel in spite of these things. If these were the problem then we’d be struggling in those sports too. It has to be something else that makes soccer different in the US compared with football/basketball/baseball. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:34     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recently when down an internet rabbit hole to understand why the US doesn't have better soccer players. The most interesting theory, that I think is likely on point, is that soccer in the US is too structured. Kids only play in leagues but don't play in organic street games like they do in many parts of the world. It's in those informal settings that kids develop the best skills. Think of basketball in the US - many of the top players grew up playing in their streets or neighborhood courts, they weren't shuttled around every weekend to be coached.


ummmm -- the best basketball players play AAU -- they play games every weekend and travel extensively --- practice extensively with coaches.


ummmm — the best basketball players still play on their own, too.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:28     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

They should do studies in colleges on how the use of the one word 'Elite' has impacted youth soccer 😄
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:26     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:The current youth soccer scene is not great.

But he blames the culture, not the landscape.

Has there ever been fewer opportunities for players to stay on a quality team in youth and develop?

Have there ever been fewer chances to play college soccer?

Have there ever been this many leagues, this big of a disconnect between “elite”?

ECNL, MLSNext, NAL, ECNL RL, EDP…

It’s ridiculous.

Yes youth soccer is in a bad position right now, but to blame the parents who pay for all of this to keep going is ludicrous.

If MLS chose 10-15 years ago to implement pro-rel, we would see so many more opportunities for players to develop and advance following a proper professional roadmap.

But the pressure isn’t on MLS teams to win and develop. The pressure is on them to develop, sign, and sell for profit.

It’s a shame that we think we are caught up to the rest of the world, while parents are still paying $2k-4k a season for their kids to call themselves elite. Where’s that $$ really going? To the clubs? Sure.

But to the leagues, the tournaments, and the facilities, that’s where it all goes. Fields in the dmv are impossible to come by. Leagues all have their hands out looking to expand. Tourney fees are insane. Everyone wants their piece, but it’s up to the parents to change that? Not seeing that. Maybe Landon was a little isolated during his playing days and hasn’t seen how far we have fallen, I get that parents (I’m not one, I’m a coach, for the record) can be a lot to deal with when their kids are involved, but everyone is playing in the same sandbox.


There are several small grass roots clubs in the DMV with good coaches who understand youth development and care about the kids welfare.
They are routinely abandoned by parents who pull their young kids from that environment to chase a brand name label big club.
Seeking winning and trophies and bragging rights. The unfortunate foundation for US soccer 'culture'
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:06     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every sport in USA is structured as hell, almost year-round play. There's no incentive to go out and play in the street when you have gaming inside and air conditioning. American youth is sucked up by four way more popular sports before a boy thinks of soccer after the age of 8. Girls gravitate to it because only basketball takes athletes away. Don't blame just the kids either... i see the sidelines heaving with heavy-set parents who very likey never usher their kids outside because they too sit on their phones all day.


Body shaming parents now. US soccer alive and well


I know facts hurt, but to the point, it's relevant. Kids learn from their parents... go search for yourself instead of curling up in the fetal position and worrying about shaming. My point is sound, perfect, and irrefutable.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:02     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:Every sport in USA is structured as hell, almost year-round play. There's no incentive to go out and play in the street when you have gaming inside and air conditioning. American youth is sucked up by four way more popular sports before a boy thinks of soccer after the age of 8. Girls gravitate to it because only basketball takes athletes away. Don't blame just the kids either... i see the sidelines heaving with heavy-set parents who very likey never usher their kids outside because they too sit on their phones all day.


Body shaming parents now. US soccer alive and well
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:01     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

This is why the top players are internationals now in the NBA. They train basketball like football academies which means skill development over everything
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 12:01     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Every sport in USA is structured as hell, almost year-round play. There's no incentive to go out and play in the street when you have gaming inside and air conditioning. American youth is sucked up by four way more popular sports before a boy thinks of soccer after the age of 8. Girls gravitate to it because only basketball takes athletes away. Don't blame just the kids either... i see the sidelines heaving with heavy-set parents who very likey never usher their kids outside because they too sit on their phones all day.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 11:55     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:I recently when down an internet rabbit hole to understand why the US doesn't have better soccer players. The most interesting theory, that I think is likely on point, is that soccer in the US is too structured. Kids only play in leagues but don't play in organic street games like they do in many parts of the world. It's in those informal settings that kids develop the best skills. Think of basketball in the US - many of the top players grew up playing in their streets or neighborhood courts, they weren't shuttled around every weekend to be coached.


ummmm -- the best basketball players play AAU -- they play games every weekend and travel extensively --- practice extensively with coaches.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 11:54     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recently when down an internet rabbit hole to understand why the US doesn't have better soccer players. The most interesting theory, that I think is likely on point, is that soccer in the US is too structured. Kids only play in leagues but don't play in organic street games like they do in many parts of the world. It's in those informal settings that kids develop the best skills. Think of basketball in the US - many of the top players grew up playing in their streets or neighborhood courts, they weren't shuttled around every weekend to be coached.


1000%



Yep, and this is why if you really want your kid to develop as a player and a person you should expose him or her to as many different settings as possible - pickup, camps, group and individual training, and ,if possible, overseas experience. Having one club coach, with likely little soccer expertise and alot of politics surrounding them, is a fast ticket to nowhere.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 11:39     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

Anonymous wrote:I recently when down an internet rabbit hole to understand why the US doesn't have better soccer players. The most interesting theory, that I think is likely on point, is that soccer in the US is too structured. Kids only play in leagues but don't play in organic street games like they do in many parts of the world. It's in those informal settings that kids develop the best skills. Think of basketball in the US - many of the top players grew up playing in their streets or neighborhood courts, they weren't shuttled around every weekend to be coached.


1000%

Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 11:35     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

I recently when down an internet rabbit hole to understand why the US doesn't have better soccer players. The most interesting theory, that I think is likely on point, is that soccer in the US is too structured. Kids only play in leagues but don't play in organic street games like they do in many parts of the world. It's in those informal settings that kids develop the best skills. Think of basketball in the US - many of the top players grew up playing in their streets or neighborhood courts, they weren't shuttled around every weekend to be coached.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2024 11:29     Subject: Landon Donovan was right

The current youth soccer scene is not great.

But he blames the culture, not the landscape.

Has there ever been fewer opportunities for players to stay on a quality team in youth and develop?

Have there ever been fewer chances to play college soccer?

Have there ever been this many leagues, this big of a disconnect between “elite”?

ECNL, MLSNext, NAL, ECNL RL, EDP…

It’s ridiculous.

Yes youth soccer is in a bad position right now, but to blame the parents who pay for all of this to keep going is ludicrous.

If MLS chose 10-15 years ago to implement pro-rel, we would see so many more opportunities for players to develop and advance following a proper professional roadmap.

But the pressure isn’t on MLS teams to win and develop. The pressure is on them to develop, sign, and sell for profit.

It’s a shame that we think we are caught up to the rest of the world, while parents are still paying $2k-4k a season for their kids to call themselves elite. Where’s that $$ really going? To the clubs? Sure.

But to the leagues, the tournaments, and the facilities, that’s where it all goes. Fields in the dmv are impossible to come by. Leagues all have their hands out looking to expand. Tourney fees are insane. Everyone wants their piece, but it’s up to the parents to change that? Not seeing that. Maybe Landon was a little isolated during his playing days and hasn’t seen how far we have fallen, I get that parents (I’m not one, I’m a coach, for the record) can be a lot to deal with when their kids are involved, but everyone is playing in the same sandbox.