Anonymous
08/27/2024 13:11
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Anonymous wrote:There were 35 traffic fatalities in 2022. Here's what happened per the DC government:
12 deaths -- pedestrian error
9 deaths -- speeding driver
4 deaths -- drunk/stoned driver
4 deaths -- driver error
2 deaths -- bicycle error
2 deaths -- medical emergency
1 death -- scooter/motorcycle/atv error
1 death -- hit and run/unknown
a “pedestrian error” and “bicycle error” are often attributable to unsafe road design.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 13:10
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Anonymous wrote:Here's the number of people the DC government says were killed by speeding drivers over the past decade (2022 is the most recent year available). As you can see, the numbers are quite low given the number of people on the road.
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
Huh? All road deaths should be included not just those formally attributed to speed (which is always inherently a factor of course).
Anonymous
08/27/2024 13:07
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Critics say that’s because city leaders have refused to meaningfully limit traffic on the major arterial roads, where people drive like they are on highways but are on urban streets dense with pedestrians and cyclists.
There's an insidious form of NIMBYism in DC whereby residents of neighborhood streets will advocate strongly against the installation of traffic calming measures on arterial roads. The "Save Connecticut Avenue" nonsense was just the latest and most obnoxious example of this. Residents of neighborhood streets, of course, want as much traffic to go quickly as possible on arterial roads as they drive these roads and want nothing less than for traffic to spill over to their streets. That people are being killed at an alarming rate on arterial roads due to their obstructionism doesn't seem to faze them much.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 13:03
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Anonymous wrote:There were 35 traffic fatalities in 2022. Here's what happened per the DC government:
12 deaths -- pedestrian error
9 deaths -- speeding driver
4 deaths -- drunk/stoned driver
4 deaths -- driver error
2 deaths -- bicycle error
2 deaths -- medical emergency
1 death -- scooter/motorcycle/atv error
1 death -- hit and run/unknown
No citation provided whatsoever for this. Unless you've FOIAed every one of the crash reports, you haven't the slightest idea of the details of those crashes.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 12:28
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Anonymous wrote:Sending a cop to prison because a drug dealer doesn't know how to drive, taught cops not to enforce traffic laws. It's absurd to think otherwise.
DC cops can’t even pursue a reckless driver going 80 mph in a school zone. And, unlike alcohol-related DWI, MPD have no means to test and cite a driver for operating under the influence of marijuana even if the vehicle reeks of it. And then one wonders why deaths are up.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 12:23
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
There were 35 traffic fatalities in 2022. Here's what happened per the DC government:
12 deaths -- pedestrian error
9 deaths -- speeding driver
4 deaths -- drunk/stoned driver
4 deaths -- driver error
2 deaths -- bicycle error
2 deaths -- medical emergency
1 death -- scooter/motorcycle/atv error
1 death -- hit and run/unknown
12 deaths -- pedestrian error
9 deaths -- speeding driver
4 deaths -- drunk/stoned driver
4 deaths -- driver error
2 deaths -- bicycle error
2 deaths -- medical emergency
1 death -- scooter/motorcycle/atv error
1 death -- hit and run/unknown
Anonymous
08/27/2024 12:13
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Sending a cop to prison because a drug dealer doesn't know how to drive, taught cops not to enforce traffic laws. It's absurd to think otherwise.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 12:07
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Anonymous wrote:Here's the number of people the DC government says were killed by speeding drivers over the past decade (2022 is the most recent year available). As you can see, the numbers are quite low given the number of people on the road.
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
Wow, you're obsessed.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 12:06
Subject: Re:Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Here's the number of people the DC government says were killed by speeding drivers over the past decade (2022 is the most recent year available). As you can see, the numbers are quite low given the number of people on the road.
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8
Anonymous
08/27/2024 11:59
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
It was always an unrealistic goal and therefore pointless as a measure of success. Effectively ensuring that the program is enshrined in government policy.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 11:52
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Anonymous wrote:Happy to blame Bowser who is ineffectual and sucks.
But also I think we fundamentally have a cultural problem in DC. There are just a LOT of people in this area (both DC and suburbs) who have zero interest in reducing how much they drive. The end. If people are unwilling to consider car alternatives (whether that's public transportation or walking or biking) then you can't get cars off the road. The more cars you have the more pedestrian deaths you have.
There are also dangerous attitudes here about what is acceptable driving behavior. Running red lights and going 10-15 over the speed limit even on city streets through residential neighborhoods. That's before you even get to the smaller number of drivers (but still a substantial and noticeable group) who regularly engage in aggressive and highly dangerous behaviors like weaving through traffic and making illegal turns or driving on shoulders or into oncoming traffic to get around other cars.
I don't think we will make progress on this issue unless we can address these cultural attitudes. And I don't think you can change culture by putting in more bike lanes or even offering more public transportation options (though I think the latter has more of an effect). I don't know how you fix this.
People here just don't seem to care. Like sure they will care about a specific person who gets hit by a car. But as a group do people in this area genuinely care about making streets safer. No. They want to be able to drive and park anywhere and they want to be able to go as fast as they want.
Why not just buy an illegal dirtbike or quad, skip the helmet, and ride however the F you like, just like all the youth in Ward 8 do?
What do you mean, “attitude problem” PP ? Mind your own damn business.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 11:26
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Happy to blame Bowser who is ineffectual and sucks.
But also I think we fundamentally have a cultural problem in DC. There are just a LOT of people in this area (both DC and suburbs) who have zero interest in reducing how much they drive. The end. If people are unwilling to consider car alternatives (whether that's public transportation or walking or biking) then you can't get cars off the road. The more cars you have the more pedestrian deaths you have.
There are also dangerous attitudes here about what is acceptable driving behavior. Running red lights and going 10-15 over the speed limit even on city streets through residential neighborhoods. That's before you even get to the smaller number of drivers (but still a substantial and noticeable group) who regularly engage in aggressive and highly dangerous behaviors like weaving through traffic and making illegal turns or driving on shoulders or into oncoming traffic to get around other cars.
I don't think we will make progress on this issue unless we can address these cultural attitudes. And I don't think you can change culture by putting in more bike lanes or even offering more public transportation options (though I think the latter has more of an effect). I don't know how you fix this.
People here just don't seem to care. Like sure they will care about a specific person who gets hit by a car. But as a group do people in this area genuinely care about making streets safer. No. They want to be able to drive and park anywhere and they want to be able to go as fast as they want.
But also I think we fundamentally have a cultural problem in DC. There are just a LOT of people in this area (both DC and suburbs) who have zero interest in reducing how much they drive. The end. If people are unwilling to consider car alternatives (whether that's public transportation or walking or biking) then you can't get cars off the road. The more cars you have the more pedestrian deaths you have.
There are also dangerous attitudes here about what is acceptable driving behavior. Running red lights and going 10-15 over the speed limit even on city streets through residential neighborhoods. That's before you even get to the smaller number of drivers (but still a substantial and noticeable group) who regularly engage in aggressive and highly dangerous behaviors like weaving through traffic and making illegal turns or driving on shoulders or into oncoming traffic to get around other cars.
I don't think we will make progress on this issue unless we can address these cultural attitudes. And I don't think you can change culture by putting in more bike lanes or even offering more public transportation options (though I think the latter has more of an effect). I don't know how you fix this.
People here just don't seem to care. Like sure they will care about a specific person who gets hit by a car. But as a group do people in this area genuinely care about making streets safer. No. They want to be able to drive and park anywhere and they want to be able to go as fast as they want.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 11:20
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
If the insane NIMBYs stopped interfering then we could actually make progress.
Anonymous
08/27/2024 09:28
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
Captain obvious in action
Anonymous
08/27/2024 09:23
Subject: Bowser promised “zero traffic deaths” 10 years ago, but fatalities have doubled
From the Washington Post about the “Vision Zero” program Bowser launched:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/08/23/vision-zero-dc-traffic-deaths/
Looks like the whole plan consisted of:
- more revenue cameras.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/08/23/vision-zero-dc-traffic-deaths/
Looks like the whole plan consisted of:
- more revenue cameras.