Anonymous wrote:They are forking autism to make a new disorder Non-Verbal Learning Disorder?

Have you heard of this diagnosis?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/nonverbal-learning-disorder-tim-walzs-son-gus-condition-explained-rcna167804

Asd ii

I’m not that hung up on DSM labels, but NVLD always seemed to fit my kid’s profile. He currently has an ASD dx. But I’m not sure it matters unless there are therapies being developed specifically for NVLD.

There was nothing natural about it

Typically NVLD is a gap of 40 or more points between verbal and visuo-spatial scores. People with NVLD are usually highly verbal. My DC also has Turner Syndrome. It’s estimated that 90+% of people with that diagnosis also have NVLD.

There is current research on it:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11001940/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20children%20with%20NVLD%20showed,abnormalities%20in%20white%20matters%20tracts

NVLD is not new but I thought it was another way of way of saying autism, not that it was "not autism". SCD is another one, a diagnosis that I thought is another way of saying autism.

According to the diagnostic criteria, both of these are like autism but not autism.

Anonymous wrote:Fancy private diagnosis for politician’s kid. Poor kids will be diagnosed ASD or worse, ODD. Same social difficulties interpreting cues and spatial awareness.

Not fancy, it's just that he's older. Older kids have dxes they don't give now, like PDD-NOS.

My understanding is that it used to exist but went away in the last DSM revision -- is that correct?

I know kids my kid's age who have it from years ago. They have what is basically an autism/Aspergers profile, but it's a little more specific.

Chris Rock has been very open about his NVLD diagnosis. I don't know what some of you think you're doing but this is not new.

You can't really "confirm" something that's just an observational cluster of signs that someone drew a circle around and labelled. Neuropsych is a very ambiguous field. Disgnoses are based on opinions and interpretations, not concrete physical measurements.
Psychologists, therapists, and schools districts are saying NVLD is a developmental disorder, and other people are saying their child was diagnosed with NVLD and it's not developmental.

I'm not judging other people's diagnoses, I'm investigating psychologists' disorder menageries. I'm not interested in a politician's kid. Quite the opposite; I'm offended that people are arguing about diagnoses as part of a disgusting political battle over some kid showing a natural expression of emotion for his father.
I'm suspicious of the general psychological and cultural practice of labelling every psychological difference or skill weakness as a disorder and pathologizing it, and that dominating the way we engage with children. (Adults generally get ignored and left to wither.)

But that article mentioned the BS controversy over the politician's kid's behavior, and quickly transitioned to a detailed discussion of NVLD itself, which I had not heard of this in many years of raising and repeatedly getting evaluations for my kid who has a lot of those signs. And I've seen different psychological diagnoses shift in out of fashion (Asperger's, PDD-NOS), and been involved in therapy and adaptive activities with other kids, and having many friends who are therapists and teachers.

I think the competing and shifting attempts to name every combinatorial cluster of signs is confusing and distracting to parents, therapists, schools, and patients.

Definitely not new. My DC who is a young adult has NVLD and not autism. Confirmed by two diffferent neuropsychologists. Why are we judging other people’s diagnoses?

It’s not new. It’s not in the DSM but will be in the next version most likely. As others have said it’s an SLD not a developmental disorder meaning it can co-occur or stand alone.

Not new at all. Not a fancy diagnosis. Usually diagnosed in tandem with other disorders like ADHD or anxiety because it's a learning disorder, not a developmental disorder.

Fancy private diagnosis for politician’s kid. Poor kids will be diagnosed ASD or worse, ODD. Same social difficulties interpreting cues and spatial awareness.

This isn't a new disorder.

They are forking autism to make a new disorder Non-Verbal Learning Disorder?

Have you heard of this diagnosis?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/nonverbal-learning-disorder-tim-walzs-son-gus-condition-explained-rcna167804