Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

It's already HS 2.0

Anonymous wrote:There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

GPA and RIGOR
Class of 23 NOVA public. 3.95/4.5, 1560, 9 APs waitlisted. "Maxed out" on all subjects except English. Honors classes. Refused AP.

NC and FL limit the OOS (Out-of-State) admits to 10% to 15%. VA allows up to 33% of the OOS admits.

This is why I challenged the notion that "Virginians are so lucky to have so many good public options" the other day.

Virginia used to be less developed, and most of its good jobs were government-related. Just like AL and SC now, Virginia wanted to attract well-qualified OOS applicants, particularly from the Northeast.

Now, Virginia is well-developed, and Virginia kids are very well qualified. There are many well-paying IT positions in Northern Virginia.

However, the VA government still doesn't limit the OOS admits. This has resulted in very difficult competition among Northern Virginia kids to get into UVA and VT engineering.

I know the OOS admits help finance in-state public schools, but Virginia is not poor anymore. We can raise more taxes to fund the in-state public colleges if that means better educational opportunities for VIRGINIAN kids.

Something has to change.

But as long as the "Virginians are so lucky to have so many good public options" mantra prevails, I don't expect any changes.

Hey, if your straight-A kid doesn't get into UVA, W&M or VT engineering, there's always JMU or GMU engineering.

Meh, UVA isn’t too bad compared to most state flagships.

Based on the below analysis in the Chronicle of Higher Education, UVA had a higher in-state percentage than 31 other states’ flagships and a lower decline in in-state student share over 20 years than all but 8 other states’ flagships.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/flagships-are-enrolling-more-and-more-freshmen-from-out-of-state

Doesn’t mean UVA couldn’t do more. But it could also be a lot worse.

There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

Anonymous wrote:As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

No one’s forcing you to live in NoVa, and no one’s forcing you to send you kid OOS. Own your decisions, quit your whining.

UVA admits are puzzling.

As a parent who pays for the absurd COL in northern Virginia and state taxes and property taxes, it makes me LIVID that OOS kids with similar stats are at UVA but I’m now paying OOS tuition and airfare 4x a year for my kid to attend a similar OOS school (that favors its own residents as they should)

UVA is a fine place—my alma mater—but your exceptional kid will no doubt do great and be happy at any other school in Virginia (assuming he must stay in-state).

Regardless, maybe wait and see if he gets in or not before you start complaining.

Agree.

As a District resident, I'm relieved, but this is a totally valid argument for in-state residents.

call your state reps and complain. The more people they hear, the more likely they are to do something

I agree..it's really frustrating.

I live in VA and am so aggravated by the # of kids I see applying and not getting into UVA who are seriously bright, solid A students. It's ridiculous.
It makes me think my high schooler won't get in when he applies in a couple of years. High A student, athlete, has great SAT scores, but white male and from a middle class background/private school.

I LOVE how UNC Chapel Hill is required by STATE LAW to keep in-state at high numbers:
"As of June 14, 2024, 82% of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC) are in-state residents. State law requires that at least 82% of each freshman class be from North Carolina, and the state government limits the number of non-residents to 18%."

As opposed to Virginia "In fall 2023, 65.5% of first-time freshmen at the University of Virginia (UVA) were in-state students. UVA aims to have a majority of Virginians in its student body, but doesn't have quotas for specific regions or high schools. UVA's offer rate for Virginia residents is usually higher than the rate for out-of-state students."

Why doesn't VA have this law!