Anonymous
Post 06/11/2024 08:22     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is software that can help with matchups.


This. I thought there was software that ran projections


Cool! I was waiting for someone to say (not sarcastically) that ChatGPT/AI would do the work.


Colonial Swim League has had a tool on their website for at least a couple of years now. You choose the two teams and it spits out the optimal lineup based on times from previous A meets. I don’t think it will use time from time trials, so not as useful for the first A meet.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2024 01:39     Subject: Re:Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Our coach is known for being especially savvy at these strategy decisions. It's like chess. It's not about club times or temperaments. It's more about who's on vacation and who else can score in their places! And more importantly what times kids are showing week over week, including at B meets.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 23:24     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Times from time trials. It's really not complicated. Top 3 swim in A meets. There is some finagling between events since you can't swim everything but it's by time.


OP: That’s not my question. For instance, our team has 12 amazing swimmers in an age group and gender, but two went 1-2 in everything. They can’t swim more than 2 individual events. We are up against another team with 12 amazing swimmers in the same age/gender bracket. Similarly, two seem to be at the top in all events based on club times, but they can only swim two. Further, swimmers from both teams are similar but not always. It’s more complicated than “just swim the swimmer based on best time” because we are trying to position points. But in the first A meet, we don’t have any current SCM data, and SCY data is three months old. How do team reps/coaches scout the other team to make these decisions? (**I’m not asking who makes A meets, I’m asking a strategy question.)

I find it hard to believe your team has *12* swimmers of the same gender and in the same age group that are “amazing” yet the same 2 placed 1st or 2nd.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 23:05     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
For the first meet, I think coaches look at the other team's last year times (mynvsl.com) and make an educated guess on which swimmer swims which strokes.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:15     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:There is software that can help with matchups.

Before software, coaches looked at times and came up with a strategy. Many coaches still do it manually. It's not rocket science.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:10     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is software that can help with matchups.


This. I thought there was software that ran projections


Cool! I was waiting for someone to say (not sarcastically) that ChatGPT/AI would do the work.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 21:41     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:There is software that can help with matchups.


This. I thought there was software that ran projections
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 21:16     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
There is software that can help with matchups.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 21:13     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet


OP: That’s not my question. For instance, our team has 12 amazing swimmers in an age group and gender, but two went 1-2 in everything. They can’t swim more than 2 individual events. We are up against another team with 12 amazing swimmers in the same age/gender bracket. Similarly, two seem to be at the top in all events based on club times, but they can only swim two. Further, swimmers from both teams are similar but not always. It’s more complicated than “just swim the swimmer based on best time” because we are trying to position points. But in the first A meet, we don’t have any current SCM data, and SCY data is three months old. How do team reps/coaches scout the other team to make these decisions? (**I’m not asking who makes A meets, I’m asking a strategy question.)


This is the coaches' job.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 18:23     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Times from time trials. It's really not complicated. Top 3 swim in A meets. There is some finagling between events since you can't swim everything but it's by time.


OP: That’s not my question. For instance, our team has 12 amazing swimmers in an age group and gender, but two went 1-2 in everything. They can’t swim more than 2 individual events. We are up against another team with 12 amazing swimmers in the same age/gender bracket. Similarly, two seem to be at the top in all events based on club times, but they can only swim two. Further, swimmers from both teams are similar but not always. It’s more complicated than “just swim the swimmer based on best time” because we are trying to position points. But in the first A meet, we don’t have any current SCM data, and SCY data is three months old. How do team reps/coaches scout the other team to make these decisions? (**I’m not asking who makes A meets, I’m asking a strategy question.)

Coaches compare times and try to make the most competitive match ups. It's not perfect since the other coach is doing the same and some swimmers may be absent for vacations or illness.


Oh, I did not realize both teams’ coaches give each other their TT play books, so to speak. I thought there was more strategy involved. Exactly the insight I sought! Thank you!

I don't think they do give out TT info, but there are B meet times and other times available. Some TTs are also in meet mobile.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 18:18     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Times from time trials. It's really not complicated. Top 3 swim in A meets. There is some finagling between events since you can't swim everything but it's by time.


OP: That’s not my question. For instance, our team has 12 amazing swimmers in an age group and gender, but two went 1-2 in everything. They can’t swim more than 2 individual events. We are up against another team with 12 amazing swimmers in the same age/gender bracket. Similarly, two seem to be at the top in all events based on club times, but they can only swim two. Further, swimmers from both teams are similar but not always. It’s more complicated than “just swim the swimmer based on best time” because we are trying to position points. But in the first A meet, we don’t have any current SCM data, and SCY data is three months old. How do team reps/coaches scout the other team to make these decisions? (**I’m not asking who makes A meets, I’m asking a strategy question.)

Coaches compare times and try to make the most competitive match ups. It's not perfect since the other coach is doing the same and some swimmers may be absent for vacations or illness.


Oh, I did not realize both teams’ coaches give each other their TT play books, so to speak. I thought there was more strategy involved. Exactly the insight I sought! Thank you!
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 18:15     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Times from time trials. It's really not complicated. Top 3 swim in A meets. There is some finagling between events since you can't swim everything but it's by time.


OP: That’s not my question. For instance, our team has 12 amazing swimmers in an age group and gender, but two went 1-2 in everything. They can’t swim more than 2 individual events. We are up against another team with 12 amazing swimmers in the same age/gender bracket. Similarly, two seem to be at the top in all events based on club times, but they can only swim two. Further, swimmers from both teams are similar but not always. It’s more complicated than “just swim the swimmer based on best time” because we are trying to position points. But in the first A meet, we don’t have any current SCM data, and SCY data is three months old. How do team reps/coaches scout the other team to make these decisions? (**I’m not asking who makes A meets, I’m asking a strategy question.)

Coaches compare times and try to make the most competitive match ups. It's not perfect since the other coach is doing the same and some swimmers may be absent for vacations or illness.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 18:12     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Anonymous wrote:Times from time trials. It's really not complicated. Top 3 swim in A meets. There is some finagling between events since you can't swim everything but it's by time.


OP: That’s not my question. For instance, our team has 12 amazing swimmers in an age group and gender, but two went 1-2 in everything. They can’t swim more than 2 individual events. We are up against another team with 12 amazing swimmers in the same age/gender bracket. Similarly, two seem to be at the top in all events based on club times, but they can only swim two. Further, swimmers from both teams are similar but not always. It’s more complicated than “just swim the swimmer based on best time” because we are trying to position points. But in the first A meet, we don’t have any current SCM data, and SCY data is three months old. How do team reps/coaches scout the other team to make these decisions? (**I’m not asking who makes A meets, I’m asking a strategy question.)
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 17:45     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
Times from time trials. It's really not complicated. Top 3 swim in A meets. There is some finagling between events since you can't swim everything but it's by time.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 17:42     Subject: Honest question: NVSL top divisions - scouting/A meet decisions, first meet
I am newer to the NVSL scene and we are on a top division (D1, 2, or 3, purposefully cryptic) team. My child swims club, but March SCY and LCM times are only so good, especially for 12Us who can improve and/or grow a lot in three months. So…be real: How do coaches and team reps scout out which swimmers (all of whom are superior) will swim which events in the first A Meet? Inquiring minds want to know.