Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:25
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That pretty much shows what I suspected - the lower SES you are, the less higher ed you are able to get.
That data is 10-20 years old, too, so I suspect it has only gotten worse as costs have risen.
Radford was going to cost us ~$25K/year for tuition, room and board. That is the cheapest 4 year public in VA (my daughter opted for a private school that costs more, of course) 4 years living at home at Mason costs $60K in JUST tuition. I'm sorry, but these costs are ridiculous.
Yes, however the poor get excellent FA. It’s the donut hole families that get screwed.
Only at the Top 25-30 schools who offer full FA.
Majority of schools do NOT. So the kid from a low income family who can barely pay the bills might not come up with a way to pay the $10K bill for spring semester, so they stop attending and often don't come back.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:23
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That pretty much shows what I suspected - the lower SES you are, the less higher ed you are able to get.
That data is 10-20 years old, too, so I suspect it has only gotten worse as costs have risen.
Radford was going to cost us ~$25K/year for tuition, room and board. That is the cheapest 4 year public in VA (my daughter opted for a private school that costs more, of course
Yes, however the poor get excellent FA. It’s the donut hole families that get screwed.
Only the brightest and most promising. Or the ones who know how to navigate the “system” to make their application impressive. Everyone else (and that’s most poor kids) don’t get much.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:23
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:I recall seeing a chart in a book years back the college success broken down by race, household income, and married and unmarried households. I want to say Black and Hispanic children, from the poorest households, and raised by a single parent had less than a five percent chance of ever graduating from college? It was startling how low it was. Can anyone confirm that? I can't find that data anywhere. I'd be very appreciative. Thank you.
Of course it's lower. The stress of finances, and not having parents/family who understand the college process. Kids often have to take time off to help family (work to pay the bills) or earn enough money to pay for the next semester.
That is why colleges work hard to improve their number for First generation, low income students, etc. Most of us are way too privileged to understand that it only takes one small change in life to mean the kid might not continue with college (and it's normally not academics failure behind the not attending/graduating)
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:18
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:Poor Student + Poor College = Poor Result
Poor Student + Rich College = Good Result
Rich Student + Poor College = Good Result
Rich Student + Rich College = Good Result
It is logical that poor kids going to poor schools don't finish.
The data I recall seeing was more like of those who enroll in college:
Black student + single parent household + <$30,000 HHI = <5% chance of earning bachelor's degree
Hispanic student + single parent household + <$30,000 HHI = <5% chance of earning bachelor's degree
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:13
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:That pretty much shows what I suspected - the lower SES you are, the less higher ed you are able to get.
That data is 10-20 years old, too, so I suspect it has only gotten worse as costs have risen.
Radford was going to cost us ~$25K/year for tuition, room and board. That is the cheapest 4 year public in VA (my daughter opted for a private school that costs more, of course
Yes, however the poor get excellent FA. It’s the donut hole families that get screwed.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:11
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
News bulletin: “Rich people more likely to drive Teslas than poor people.”
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:03
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Poor Student + Poor College = Poor Result
Poor Student + Rich College = Good Result
Rich Student + Poor College = Good Result
Rich Student + Rich College = Good Result
It is logical that poor kids going to poor schools don't finish.
Poor Student + Rich College = Good Result
Rich Student + Poor College = Good Result
Rich Student + Rich College = Good Result
It is logical that poor kids going to poor schools don't finish.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:03
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:The only data I have seen was from a few Ivies. Graduation rate was the same as everyone else. Probably because they choose from the best of the best available.
The data you saw is probably from the community colleges and other small schools where students kind of pop in and out as best they can. Not really a comparison at all. And seeing as most poor Americans can only occasionally take college courses the "graduation rates" will skew strongly toward not ever finishing.
Again, the top students from poor households do pretty well at the top colleges. They (both sides) are very invested in the outcome.
Most college graduation rates are measured by 6 years and in some cases 8 years out.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 11:02
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:Here you go, OP.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_tva.pdf
Google search I used: college graduation rate by socioeconomic status
It's even more dire for Black and Hispanic boys. Girls are pumping those stats.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 10:58
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Anonymous wrote:It's startling how low it was? I don't understand this comment. Plenty of people who are not nearly that poor choose not to go to college. But your stunned that the poorest tend not to?
You don't think it's shocking that for some cohorts, only 1 in 20 who start college finish their bachelor's?
Anonymous
06/04/2024 10:38
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
That pretty much shows what I suspected - the lower SES you are, the less higher ed you are able to get.
That data is 10-20 years old, too, so I suspect it has only gotten worse as costs have risen.
Radford was going to cost us ~$25K/year for tuition, room and board. That is the cheapest 4 year public in VA (my daughter opted for a private school that costs more, of course ) 4 years living at home at Mason costs $60K in JUST tuition. I'm sorry, but these costs are ridiculous.
That data is 10-20 years old, too, so I suspect it has only gotten worse as costs have risen.
Radford was going to cost us ~$25K/year for tuition, room and board. That is the cheapest 4 year public in VA (my daughter opted for a private school that costs more, of course
) 4 years living at home at Mason costs $60K in JUST tuition. I'm sorry, but these costs are ridiculous.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 10:33
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
It's startling how low it was? I don't understand this comment. Plenty of people who are not nearly that poor choose not to go to college. But your stunned that the poorest tend not to?
Anonymous
06/04/2024 10:29
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
Here you go, OP.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_tva.pdf
Google search I used: college graduation rate by socioeconomic status
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_tva.pdf
Google search I used: college graduation rate by socioeconomic status
Anonymous
06/04/2024 10:21
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
The only data I have seen was from a few Ivies. Graduation rate was the same as everyone else. Probably because they choose from the best of the best available.
The data you saw is probably from the community colleges and other small schools where students kind of pop in and out as best they can. Not really a comparison at all. And seeing as most poor Americans can only occasionally take college courses the "graduation rates" will skew strongly toward not ever finishing.
Again, the top students from poor households do pretty well at the top colleges. They (both sides) are very invested in the outcome.
The data you saw is probably from the community colleges and other small schools where students kind of pop in and out as best they can. Not really a comparison at all. And seeing as most poor Americans can only occasionally take college courses the "graduation rates" will skew strongly toward not ever finishing.
Again, the top students from poor households do pretty well at the top colleges. They (both sides) are very invested in the outcome.
Anonymous
06/04/2024 09:29
Subject: Anyone know the college graduation rate of the poorest Americans?
I recall seeing a chart in a book years back the college success broken down by race, household income, and married and unmarried households. I want to say Black and Hispanic children, from the poorest households, and raised by a single parent had less than a five percent chance of ever graduating from college? It was startling how low it was. Can anyone confirm that? I can't find that data anywhere. I'd be very appreciative. Thank you.