Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:34     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.


Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.


The kids who stay are not the top STEM talent in VA. And among the kids who stay and are interested in all STem not just engineering, the smartest go to UVA, based on SAT and GPA from data from multiple different top high schools. Run of the mill public may have different outcomes.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:33     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.


Interesting, Cornell is a land grant university like MSU, WVU, PSU, VT, NCST etc.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:32     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.


Interesting. Thx.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:29     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.

Indiana University/Purdue, another good example.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:22     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.


This has got to be one of the most pedantic, useless, BS-filled posts I’ve ever read.
DP
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:15     Subject: STEM flagships
Land grant universities - created to provide a practical education in ag and mechanical subjects especially, are sometimes what you’re thinking of. https://www.aplu.org/about-us/history-of-aplu/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers are land grants, as are Purdue, Iowa State, VT, Michigan State, NC State, etc. Today, the land grants are often very strong in engineering and agriculture.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:11     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


For PA, the student stats for Pitt are quite a bit higher than PSU, but PSU has a stronger engineering program, so it might be Pitt/PSU. For Michigan, UM is stronger across the board, including STEM. I’d probably say the same thing for UT. UNC/NC State seems like almost the exact same split as UVA/VT. Perhaps Oregon/Oregon State.


I agree with almost everything you said except for TX. A&M is definitely where the strongest STEM programs/students are in TX.


Possibly; I know their engineering program is excellent, but UT is stronger in computer science (my field). I do work with an excellent A&M CS grad who picked it over UT, so they definitely pull top talent even in CS.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:10     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.


Disagree. And I'm talking about the kids who stay. No one is saying VT is better than MIT.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:06     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


For PA, the student stats for Pitt are quite a bit higher than PSU, but PSU has a stronger engineering program, so it might be Pitt/PSU. For Michigan, UM is stronger across the board, including STEM. I’d probably say the same thing for UT. UNC/NC State seems like almost the exact same split as UVA/VT. Perhaps Oregon/Oregon State.


I agree with almost everything you said except for TX. A&M is definitely where the strongest STEM programs/students are in TX.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:02     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


Flawed premise. The top talent in all STEM, which includes Chem, math, bio, commonly go to UVA if they want to stay in STATE, or William&Mary, for better fit if UVA is too big. VT does not win the brightest STEM kids in a head to head if they are also accepted to UVA . VT never gets top 10% kids from TJ or MW or any of the STEM magnet publics or any of the top 15 private schools in the state of Virginia, unless those students do not get in elsewhere. Many top engineering students choose UVA or VT, unless they get into somewhere better: our of state! Top 10% kids aiming for Engineering at these top high schools leave the state of Virginia in droves, and for anyone who qualifies for financial aid, they pay the same or LESS net price to go to ivies/Stanford/Duke/Northwestern than they do in state, so why would they stay? Full pay STEM/engineering geniuses leave Virginia for GTech, Berkeley, Michigan, or T10/ivies unless they do not get in to those.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 22:00     Subject: STEM flagships
Anonymous wrote:You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?


For PA, the student stats for Pitt are quite a bit higher than PSU, but PSU has a stronger engineering program, so it might be Pitt/PSU. For Michigan, UM is stronger across the board, including STEM. I’d probably say the same thing for UT. UNC/NC State seems like almost the exact same split as UVA/VT. Perhaps Oregon/Oregon State.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 21:57     Subject: STEM flagships
CU Boulder
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 21:57     Subject: STEM flagships
Pitt is Penn State's STEM counterpart
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 21:47     Subject: STEM flagships
Alabama/Auburn
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2024 21:43     Subject: STEM flagships
You know how UVA is Virginia's flagship university where Virginia's top students attend, and VT is the de facto STEM flagship with strong STEM programs where Virginia's top STEM talent attends? Well, can you help me identify some other states' comparable STEM flagship? For instance...

U Michigan/Michigan State U
UT Austin/Texas A&M
UNC Chapel Hill/NC State
U Georgia/Georgia Tech
Ohio State/?
Penn State/?
Rutgers/?
Others?