Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 12:01     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course they talk about NoI's antisemitism and other problematic traits.

But you honestly cannot talk about the trajectory of the Black experience in the 20th century without talking about the Panthers, the NoI, and other Black nationalist or separatist groups.

This isn't to say that those groups are correct, or to valorize them, but they are part of the trajectory of African American history as well as being a direct result of anti-Black racism.

Black self-help groups were a direct outgrowth of a sense that the white-dominated power structure would never extend the benefits to Black citizens that it extends to white ones.

This is also situated within a broader separatist impulse in American culture, in which you also saw other groups decide that mutual aid was a better answer than waiting for the US government to acknowledge their humanity.
how do you know that they do teach that part of the NOI ? The article gave no indication that they do


That article is in a right-wing rag called "Public School Watch." It's not there to tell you anything useful - it's there to stir up white grievance.


Um, PSW promoted DEI.

Did you even click on the link ??
of course he didn’t click the link. Or this person lives in an alternate reality
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 11:55     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course they talk about NoI's antisemitism and other problematic traits.

But you honestly cannot talk about the trajectory of the Black experience in the 20th century without talking about the Panthers, the NoI, and other Black nationalist or separatist groups.

This isn't to say that those groups are correct, or to valorize them, but they are part of the trajectory of African American history as well as being a direct result of anti-Black racism.

Black self-help groups were a direct outgrowth of a sense that the white-dominated power structure would never extend the benefits to Black citizens that it extends to white ones.

This is also situated within a broader separatist impulse in American culture, in which you also saw other groups decide that mutual aid was a better answer than waiting for the US government to acknowledge their humanity.
how do you know that they do teach that part of the NOI ? The article gave no indication that they do


That article is in a right-wing rag called "Public School Watch." It's not there to tell you anything useful - it's there to stir up white grievance.


Um, PSW promoted DEI.

Did you even click on the link ??
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 11:53     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:What group are you referring to?


The group is referenced in the link.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:56     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course they talk about NoI's antisemitism and other problematic traits.

But you honestly cannot talk about the trajectory of the Black experience in the 20th century without talking about the Panthers, the NoI, and other Black nationalist or separatist groups.

This isn't to say that those groups are correct, or to valorize them, but they are part of the trajectory of African American history as well as being a direct result of anti-Black racism.

Black self-help groups were a direct outgrowth of a sense that the white-dominated power structure would never extend the benefits to Black citizens that it extends to white ones.

This is also situated within a broader separatist impulse in American culture, in which you also saw other groups decide that mutual aid was a better answer than waiting for the US government to acknowledge their humanity.
how do you know that they do teach that part of the NOI ? The article gave no indication that they do


That article is in a right-wing rag called "Public School Watch." It's not there to tell you anything useful - it's there to stir up white grievance.
what are you talking about? The story is from the school news network and it’s glowingly covering the course
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:53     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course they talk about NoI's antisemitism and other problematic traits.

But you honestly cannot talk about the trajectory of the Black experience in the 20th century without talking about the Panthers, the NoI, and other Black nationalist or separatist groups.

This isn't to say that those groups are correct, or to valorize them, but they are part of the trajectory of African American history as well as being a direct result of anti-Black racism.

Black self-help groups were a direct outgrowth of a sense that the white-dominated power structure would never extend the benefits to Black citizens that it extends to white ones.

This is also situated within a broader separatist impulse in American culture, in which you also saw other groups decide that mutual aid was a better answer than waiting for the US government to acknowledge their humanity.
how do you know that they do teach that part of the NOI ? The article gave no indication that they do


That article is in a right-wing rag called "Public School Watch." It's not there to tell you anything useful - it's there to stir up white grievance.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:23     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the idea of the course is great but I have concerns . For example when they cover controversial groups do they tell about the controversy? Look at this story and it doesn’t mention the negative aspects of the group they mention. https://www.schoolnewsnetwork.org/2024/05/07/high-schoolers-share-experience-in-ap-african-american-studies-with-state-board-of-education/

Do they cover negative aspects of other religions/groups adequately?
I don’t know if they do. But if they are mentioning a hate group and not mentioning the hate of that group then that’s problematic


Why not just take a look at the curriculum instead of posing "what ifs" on DCUM?

provide a link that shows what they teach about the NOI . Thanks
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:23     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:Of course they talk about NoI's antisemitism and other problematic traits.

But you honestly cannot talk about the trajectory of the Black experience in the 20th century without talking about the Panthers, the NoI, and other Black nationalist or separatist groups.

This isn't to say that those groups are correct, or to valorize them, but they are part of the trajectory of African American history as well as being a direct result of anti-Black racism.

Black self-help groups were a direct outgrowth of a sense that the white-dominated power structure would never extend the benefits to Black citizens that it extends to white ones.

This is also situated within a broader separatist impulse in American culture, in which you also saw other groups decide that mutual aid was a better answer than waiting for the US government to acknowledge their humanity.
how do you know that they do teach that part of the NOI ? The article gave no indication that they do
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:22     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the idea of the course is great but I have concerns . For example when they cover controversial groups do they tell about the controversy? Look at this story and it doesn’t mention the negative aspects of the group they mention. https://www.schoolnewsnetwork.org/2024/05/07/high-schoolers-share-experience-in-ap-african-american-studies-with-state-board-of-education/

Do they cover negative aspects of other religions/groups adequately?
I don’t know if they do. But if they are mentioning a hate group and not mentioning the hate of that group then that’s problematic


Why not just take a look at the curriculum instead of posing "what ifs" on DCUM?

Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:18     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Of course they talk about NoI's antisemitism and other problematic traits.

But you honestly cannot talk about the trajectory of the Black experience in the 20th century without talking about the Panthers, the NoI, and other Black nationalist or separatist groups.

This isn't to say that those groups are correct, or to valorize them, but they are part of the trajectory of African American history as well as being a direct result of anti-Black racism.

Black self-help groups were a direct outgrowth of a sense that the white-dominated power structure would never extend the benefits to Black citizens that it extends to white ones.

This is also situated within a broader separatist impulse in American culture, in which you also saw other groups decide that mutual aid was a better answer than waiting for the US government to acknowledge their humanity.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 08:03     Subject: Re:AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:Do we teach that Washington owned slaves and that Thomas Jefferson raped his wife and that Grant was a racist?
pretty sure we do . They don’t teach that Grant was an antisemite .
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 07:59     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the idea of the course is great but I have concerns . For example when they cover controversial groups do they tell about the controversy? Look at this story and it doesn’t mention the negative aspects of the group they mention. https://www.schoolnewsnetwork.org/2024/05/07/high-schoolers-share-experience-in-ap-african-american-studies-with-state-board-of-education/

Do they cover negative aspects of other religions/groups adequately?
I don’t know if they do. But if they are mentioning a hate group and not mentioning the hate of that group then that’s problematic
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 07:59     Subject: Re:AP African American studies concern

Do we teach that Washington owned slaves and that Thomas Jefferson raped his wife and that Grant was a racist?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 07:59     Subject: AP African American studies concern

Anonymous wrote:I think the idea of the course is great but I have concerns . For example when they cover controversial groups do they tell about the controversy? Look at this story and it doesn’t mention the negative aspects of the group they mention. https://www.schoolnewsnetwork.org/2024/05/07/high-schoolers-share-experience-in-ap-african-american-studies-with-state-board-of-education/

Do they cover negative aspects of other religions/groups adequately?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 07:56     Subject: AP African American studies concern

What group are you referring to?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2024 07:54     Subject: AP African American studies concern

I think the idea of the course is great but I have concerns . For example when they cover controversial groups do they tell about the controversy? Look at this story and it doesn’t mention the negative aspects of the group they mention. https://www.schoolnewsnetwork.org/2024/05/07/high-schoolers-share-experience-in-ap-african-american-studies-with-state-board-of-education/