Anonymous
05/07/2024 13:37
Subject: How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.
I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.
We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.
I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.
I think OP means that the math on iReady is stuff her daughter hasn't done in class.
OP this is by design. iReady will (within 2 grades) make the test harder until your kid stops getting questions right. If they get everything right the test stops at 2 grades above grade level.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 13:33
Subject: How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.
I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.
We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.
I don't know what iready tests that you think your daughter is not exposed to. My DS tests 97%-99% since 1st grade so I am not paying attention to his math. I just pay for kumon and make sure he does 5 sheets (10 pages) of practice every day. Trust me the whining is epic but it's worth it.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 13:29
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf
Ok I think I heard someone say it is no longer subjective. Maybe subjective is better?
All I know is my current first grader who is equally, if not better academically than her siblings, has mostly all 3s and her siblings had all 4s. My kid is an excellent reader and writer, especially for her age and she still gets a 3 and a 3 for effort.
Maybe she has one of those teachers who does all 3s early in the year with 4s at the end to demonstrate "improvement." That's one of the most annoying things about standards-based grading: there's no way to validate a grade so some teachers will make themselves look good (versus your kid) via the report card.
Also do the teachers see the NNAT scores? I could swear that my first grader (last year) kid got ignored until getting a really good NNAT score. Now she gets more "4's."
My kid is a great kid. I know she is my kid but she is very outgoing and always tries hard. I don’t see why she is getting 3s for effort. She really should be getting 4s for both. Her math isn’t as strong but totally on level. I just checked her scores online and her reading iready was 98%, not 95%.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 13:25
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf
Ok I think I heard someone say it is no longer subjective. Maybe subjective is better?
All I know is my current first grader who is equally, if not better academically than her siblings, has mostly all 3s and her siblings had all 4s. My kid is an excellent reader and writer, especially for her age and she still gets a 3 and a 3 for effort.
Maybe she has one of those teachers who does all 3s early in the year with 4s at the end to demonstrate "improvement." That's one of the most annoying things about standards-based grading: there's no way to validate a grade so some teachers will make themselves look good (versus your kid) via the report card.
Also do the teachers see the NNAT scores? I could swear that my first grader (last year) kid got ignored until getting a really good NNAT score. Now she gets more "4's."
Anonymous
05/07/2024 13:02
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf
Ok I think I heard someone say it is no longer subjective. Maybe subjective is better?
All I know is my current first grader who is equally, if not better academically than her siblings, has mostly all 3s and her siblings had all 4s. My kid is an excellent reader and writer, especially for her age and she still gets a 3 and a 3 for effort.
Maybe she has one of those teachers who does all 3s early in the year with 4s at the end to demonstrate "improvement." That's one of the most annoying things about standards-based grading: there's no way to validate a grade so some teachers will make themselves look good (versus your kid) via the report card.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 12:52
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf
Ok I think I heard someone say it is no longer subjective. Maybe subjective is better?
All I know is my current first grader who is equally, if not better academically than her siblings, has mostly all 3s and her siblings had all 4s. My kid is an excellent reader and writer, especially for her age and she still gets a 3 and a 3 for effort.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 12:30
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous
05/07/2024 12:25
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Given is really only accelerated math in AAP classes, if score 99.9% in reading but math is at 87%, is that enough to get in if COGAT and NNaT and grades are all above minimum threshold? Or does the over 90% have to be in math?
My kid got in to the full time AAP program for 3rd with an 89th percentile math iReady, but that was not enough to get her level II AAP in math this year (2nd). There's no "minimum threshhold" for CogAT and NNAT. They look at those with iReady, grades, and most importantly to the committee teacher recommendation plus your parent questionaire and referral form (you have to do those even if your kid is in pool to give the best picture of your kid). But the actual deciding factor is the HOPE scale, which at least at our school is compiled by 1st grade teacher, 2nd grade teacher, and AART in a committee.
They do HOPE/GBRS every year for every kid. Theoretically you could see at the beginning of next year what this year's HOPE is.
What is HOPE? Is that new?
I have 2 kids in AAP and it was GBRS. I overheard a mom with a kid who didn’t get in say something about race but I don’t know if AaP is race blind. An actual teacher said race does matter but I wasn’t even part of the conversation.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 12:22
Subject: How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.
I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.
We started doing some math problems with her. Our school is a no homework school and math seems to be done online in the form of math games. From what I can see, they do addition and subtraction but iready also tests on math they have never been exposed to.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 10:47
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Given is really only accelerated math in AAP classes, if score 99.9% in reading but math is at 87%, is that enough to get in if COGAT and NNaT and grades are all above minimum threshold? Or does the over 90% have to be in math?
My kid got in to the full time AAP program for 3rd with an 89th percentile math iReady, but that was not enough to get her level II AAP in math this year (2nd). There's no "minimum threshhold" for CogAT and NNAT. They look at those with iReady, grades, and most importantly to the committee teacher recommendation plus your parent questionaire and referral form (you have to do those even if your kid is in pool to give the best picture of your kid). But the actual deciding factor is the HOPE scale, which at least at our school is compiled by 1st grade teacher, 2nd grade teacher, and AART in a committee.
They do HOPE/GBRS every year for every kid. Theoretically you could see at the beginning of next year what this year's HOPE is.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 10:29
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Anonymous wrote:Given is really only accelerated math in AAP classes, if score 99.9% in reading but math is at 87%, is that enough to get in if COGAT and NNaT and grades are all above minimum threshold? Or does the over 90% have to be in math?
It depends 🤷. The teacher input has a lot of weight. Look through the results threads from the last few years - there's not one clear threshold or formula for admission. And the school pool makes a big difference for those "minimum" scores, as well
To me, it looks like the committee is equally likely to deny students who are mostly early readers (that evens out in 3rd and 4th, usually) and who are *only* strong in math - which can be met by accelerated math only.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 10:25
Subject: How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
On my DS's AAP package, they only have second grade fall's iready. Make sure she scores above 90% to be safe. 87% is on the border and the students are only compared against those from the same school, so if her school is high SES school 87% won't get her in.
I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.
I suggest do some enrichment over the summer to make sure she's ready for second grade.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 10:12
Subject: Re:How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
Given is really only accelerated math in AAP classes, if score 99.9% in reading but math is at 87%, is that enough to get in if COGAT and NNaT and grades are all above minimum threshold? Or does the over 90% have to be in math?
Anonymous
05/07/2024 10:06
Subject: How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
All teachers copy and paste - they have to use pre-written scripts.
iReady was definitely a factor this year, and anything below the 90s was potentially an issue, it seemed, depending on the rest of the portfolio.
Remember that (supposedly) AAP is for students who don't have peers/aren't being challenged in their current setting. A student who does well on what's been taught, but not more difficult material, is arguably a strong Gen Ed student - not an AAP student. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't be in AAP - just that you'll want to think about how to make the case for that piece of the puzzle.
iReady was definitely a factor this year, and anything below the 90s was potentially an issue, it seemed, depending on the rest of the portfolio.
Remember that (supposedly) AAP is for students who don't have peers/aren't being challenged in their current setting. A student who does well on what's been taught, but not more difficult material, is arguably a strong Gen Ed student - not an AAP student. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't be in AAP - just that you'll want to think about how to make the case for that piece of the puzzle.
Anonymous
05/07/2024 09:43
Subject: How much do grades and iready scores impact AAP admissions?
And do they only look at 2nd grade iready scores or also first grade?
I have a current first grader and she basically has all 3s on her report card from kindergarten and first grade. I am fairly certain the teacher has cut and paste the comment section for the majority of the students as her classmates have received the exact same wording.
My child scored well on the recent NNAT (141). Iready scores are 80% math and 95% reading. I looked at the math and a lot of the math was math she has never learned in school. She does well in what they actually learn.
I have a current first grader and she basically has all 3s on her report card from kindergarten and first grade. I am fairly certain the teacher has cut and paste the comment section for the majority of the students as her classmates have received the exact same wording.
My child scored well on the recent NNAT (141). Iready scores are 80% math and 95% reading. I looked at the math and a lot of the math was math she has never learned in school. She does well in what they actually learn.