Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 09:01     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Double u, double o, double t, o n.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 08:03     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.


There was more than just the manifesto/memoir/work of fiction. There were Google searches and the purchase of a BB gun.


According to him the manifesto was actually a book draft and the google searches were research for the book.

I didn't see anything about a BB gun but if he actually was planning to try to be a mass murderer or serial killer, a BB gun doesn't seem like a good choice.

It will be interesting to see where this goes given the mental health issues and fiction / non fiction aspects of the book / manifesto / plan.

He is facing ten years in prison given the charges. A long time for an 18 year old and even longer / more isolating given he is biologically female - probably would mean segregation or protective custody.


I also find it disturbing that people would defend the behavior by calling it a work of fiction. I mean, we have parents in this country who are serving prison sentences in connection with disturbing writings that were labeled works of fiction so we know the consequences of calling it wrong. I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, but the level of doubt expressed about the arrest is disturbing.

I think it’s pretty tragic that an 18 year old whose parents, the medical system and the school district seemingly worked hard to help is at the point where the future might realistically be a sentence of more than half of the life of this teen will be spent in prison. But the real scary thing is that despite a community of resources being poured into this teenager, this is where he is. It’s scary that we don’t know how to successfully treat some mental illness and that means that innocent people surrounding those whose conditions are intractable are vulnerable. It makes me really sad for the family - I can’t imagine their pain, but I am glad for them that it was discovered because their pain could be far worse.


I did not defend him or express doubt about his arrest. I posted some bits of information I had seen about the case. The bits about there being fiction in the manifesto did not only come from him but from others who had read it. Maybe they are wrong and it is just a well thought out and laid out plan of attack, I don't know. I was just posting what I had seen. And I have read the works of others with mental health issues - they do often ramble and include non factual information so when I read that his had fictional content within it, that didn't strike me as impossible at all. Others of you seem to have far more insider information and already know what was written and his state of mind and his intentions and what exactly happened so I will leave it to you to discuss. I am not an insider expert, just someone who read some articles online and found it interesting.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 07:46     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.


There was more than just the manifesto/memoir/work of fiction. There were Google searches and the purchase of a BB gun.


According to him the manifesto was actually a book draft and the google searches were research for the book.

I didn't see anything about a BB gun but if he actually was planning to try to be a mass murderer or serial killer, a BB gun doesn't seem like a good choice.

It will be interesting to see where this goes given the mental health issues and fiction / non fiction aspects of the book / manifesto / plan.

He is facing ten years in prison given the charges. A long time for an 18 year old and even longer / more isolating given he is biologically female - probably would mean segregation or protective custody.


I also find it disturbing that people would defend the behavior by calling it a work of fiction. I mean, we have parents in this country who are serving prison sentences in connection with disturbing writings that were labeled works of fiction so we know the consequences of calling it wrong. I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, but the level of doubt expressed about the arrest is disturbing.

I think it’s pretty tragic that an 18 year old whose parents, the medical system and the school district seemingly worked hard to help is at the point where the future might realistically be a sentence of more than half of the life of this teen will be spent in prison. But the real scary thing is that despite a community of resources being poured into this teenager, this is where he is. It’s scary that we don’t know how to successfully treat some mental illness and that means that innocent people surrounding those whose conditions are intractable are vulnerable. It makes me really sad for the family - I can’t imagine their pain, but I am glad for them that it was discovered because their pain could be far worse.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 07:38     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.


There was more than just the manifesto/memoir/work of fiction. There were Google searches and the purchase of a BB gun.


According to him the manifesto was actually a book draft and the google searches were research for the book.

I didn't see anything about a BB gun but if he actually was planning to try to be a mass murderer or serial killer, a BB gun doesn't seem like a good choice.

It will be interesting to see where this goes given the mental health issues and fiction / non fiction aspects of the book / manifesto / plan.

He is facing ten years in prison given the charges. A long time for an 18 year old and even longer / more isolating given he is biologically female - probably would mean segregation or protective custody.


Ye said varying things. He sometimes said it was a memoir, sometimes an autobiography and sometimes a work of fiction. Ye was mentally ill. Why are you so convinced that one of the things he claimed the writing was is more true over the other things he said that contradict that?

Also, the overlap between the supposed work of fiction and his actual life make the fictional claim paper thin.

Furthermore, Ye specifically claimed that having difficulty getting access to a gun was a frustration for him.

Lastly, his father had a gun in the house, though it appears the father secured it well and Ye didn't have access to it. One wrong move and that could've been very different.

Why are you in defense of Ye's innocence? Are you his defense attorney?


I think you read too much into my comment. I am not in defense of his innocence at all. I have no idea what his mental state or true intentions were. That is why I said it will be interesting how this all unfolds as it has a few complexities too it.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 07:34     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:There’s more than just the document. He had social media postings and discord interactions discussing the idea.

According to the NPR report I was listening to, law enforcement credits Maryland’s stricter gun purchasing laws to making it hard for him to get a gun.


Correct. The PP is hanging a lot on the hat of "it was a work of fiction" when there's a mountain of OTHER evidence in addition to the piece of writing that verifies Ye was having SERIOUS ideations about committing an act of school violence.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 07:31     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.


There was more than just the manifesto/memoir/work of fiction. There were Google searches and the purchase of a BB gun.


According to him the manifesto was actually a book draft and the google searches were research for the book.

I didn't see anything about a BB gun but if he actually was planning to try to be a mass murderer or serial killer, a BB gun doesn't seem like a good choice.

It will be interesting to see where this goes given the mental health issues and fiction / non fiction aspects of the book / manifesto / plan.

He is facing ten years in prison given the charges. A long time for an 18 year old and even longer / more isolating given he is biologically female - probably would mean segregation or protective custody.


Ye said varying things. He sometimes said it was a memoir, sometimes an autobiography and sometimes a work of fiction. Ye was mentally ill. Why are you so convinced that one of the things he claimed the writing was is more true over the other things he said that contradict that?

Also, the overlap between the supposed work of fiction and his actual life make the fictional claim paper thin.

Furthermore, Ye specifically claimed that having difficulty getting access to a gun was a frustration for him.

Lastly, his father had a gun in the house, though it appears the father secured it well and Ye didn't have access to it. One wrong move and that could've been very different.

Why are you in defense of Ye's innocence? Are you his defense attorney?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 07:30     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
There’s more than just the document. He had social media postings and discord interactions discussing the idea.

According to the NPR report I was listening to, law enforcement credits Maryland’s stricter gun purchasing laws to making it hard for him to get a gun.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 06:41     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.


There was more than just the manifesto/memoir/work of fiction. There were Google searches and the purchase of a BB gun.


According to him the manifesto was actually a book draft and the google searches were research for the book.

I didn't see anything about a BB gun but if he actually was planning to try to be a mass murderer or serial killer, a BB gun doesn't seem like a good choice.

It will be interesting to see where this goes given the mental health issues and fiction / non fiction aspects of the book / manifesto / plan.

He is facing ten years in prison given the charges. A long time for an 18 year old and even longer / more isolating given he is biologically female - probably would mean segregation or protective custody.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 06:34     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Anonymous wrote:He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.


There was more than just the manifesto/memoir/work of fiction. There were Google searches and the purchase of a BB gun.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 06:30     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
didn't they report that he said or wrote he wanted to be infamous? he has made national if not international news.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 06:25     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
He has had a few psychiatrist inpatient admissions. Seems the manifesto is parts of his real life mixed in with fiction.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2024 06:19     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Or to the person who alerted LE?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 23:56     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
OP here. Sorry I did not see that earlier thread, but this seems like one of the most important local events there could be. What would our world be like if this person had not stopped?

Worthy of thought and discussion.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 23:18     Subject: Re:Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
We did have a long thread about it but Jeff locked it because people kept talking about the fact that the student was transgender.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2024 23:11     Subject: Hats off to law enforcement for averting a mass shooting at Wooten
Surprised this isn't on here, but it has gotten national media attention:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maryland-teenager-accused-plotting-school-shooting-129-page-document-rcna148516

So scary to think we could have a mass shooting right here at home!