Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latin’s test scores are pretty bad, in general. Many Latin parents will brush this off. Only you can decide if you’re ok with it.

In math, they are lower than three other high schools in DC. Two of those have selective admissions. One has a high attrition rate.

Here are the 4+ 10th grade PARCC scores:

BASIS

ELA 87.5
Math 90.0

Walls

ELA 93.5
Math 56.0

Banneker

ELA 84.09
Math 36.0

Latin

ELA 71.91
Math <=10.0

DCI

ELA 45.26
Math suppressed [27.48 in 9th grade]

And before you say “Latin must have admitted a bunch of dumb kids!” like the PP, know that Latin made a total of two waitlist offers for 10th grade that year.

No. That's not the issue. There were 13 10th graders with math PARCC data at Latin, all in geometry, because they're not having 10th graders in algebra 2 take the exam. Your math number is based on the 13 kids who weren't accelerated in math. If you look at the overall numbers, again, they're 4th.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Latin’s test scores are pretty bad, in general. Many Latin parents will brush this off. Only you can decide if you’re ok with it.

In math, they are lower than three other high schools in DC. Two of those have selective admissions. One has a high attrition rate.

Here are the 4+ 10th grade PARCC scores:

BASIS

ELA 87.5
Math 90.0

Walls

ELA 93.5
Math 56.0

Banneker

ELA 84.09
Math 36.0

Latin

ELA 71.91
Math <=10.0

DCI

ELA 45.26
Math suppressed [27.48 in 9th grade]

And before you say “Latin must have admitted a bunch of dumb kids!” like the PP, know that Latin made a total of two waitlist offers for 10th grade that year.

Anonymous wrote:Latin’s test scores are pretty bad, in general. Many Latin parents will brush this off. Only you can decide if you’re ok with it.

In math, they are lower than three other high schools in DC. Two of those have selective admissions. One has a high attrition rate.

People mistake Latin’s extreme popularity and long waitlists with incredible academic excellence. It’s been said before but worth repeating: Latin is extremely popular because it’s a good/average school which is so hard to find in DC where schools are either considered too rigorous or too full of students many years behind grade level. (The list of truancy rates reflect just how many abysmal middle and high schools exist in DC). Many families on this forum have or think they have above average students but the fact is that most kids are average and the long waitlists at the Latins reflect the reality of most families in DC wanting something good/average for their students.

Latin’s middle school has better scores than its high school which could mean a number of things, but one of them could be that many people felt compelled to rank Latin first on their middle school lottery application simply due to its popularity even though their student was more of a BASIS-type and by high school realized that there might be a better fit (though clearly not BASIS at that point). When new students enter Latin for high school it makes sense that the attrition, though not a lot, is enough to drop the scores because students can easily come from lower performing middle schools, of which there are plenty in DC.

Latin is ranked #11,048 in National Rankings. BASIS is ranked #250. Whitman in Bethesda is #147. Yorktown in Arlington is #345.

Latin’s test scores are pretty bad, in general. Many Latin parents will brush this off. Only you can decide if you’re ok with it.

The high school math skew is ameliorated if you just look at 9th graders.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cooper will have its own upper school - they are adding a grade each year so in the next two years they will have 9th and so on - there is no preference between the schools -

As for PARCC data - high school data is tough to hang your hat on because the kids taking the test get less and less as they age out of the requirement - and with APs and other finals etc the HS kids just don’t care about it in the same way

As for Latin - I wouldn’t say it is like basis or McKinley for super smart kids who want accelerated opportunities- it is just like a average high school experience - and I don’t mean that as a bad thing - it’s a great place for a lot of different kinds of students

Anonymous wrote:Does the Cooper campus also have feeder rights into the upper school? I thought it did, but looking at the My School DC website, Cooper doesn’t have a feeder listed (whereas the 2nd street location lists the upper school as its feeder).

Also - I’m looking at top line PARCC data from the My School DC site, and while 2nd street has 43.5% of kids with a 4 on PARCC in math, and 8.92% of kids with a 5, the Upper School has <10 kids at 4 or 5. How is that possible?? Is the upper school that bad?

For math - if a student takes Geometry PARCC in 8th grade and Algebra II in 9th, are they totally done with math PARCC after 9th?

If yes, I could see how that might skew numbers at a high school where students have been tracked for math in middle school, as the students on the lowest tracks end up as the biggest percentage of math PARCC takers in high school.

Yes, this is exactly why HS PARCC numbers are not particularly meaningful.

The top schools for proficiency percentages are, in order:

School Without Walls High School
BASIS DC PCS
Benjamin Banneker High School
Washington Latin PCS - Upper School
McKinley Technology High School
Jackson-Reed High School

The bottom are:

Ballou High School
Cardozo Education Campus
Eastern High School
H.D. Woodson High School

In the top schools, yes, the measurement issue could be why McKinley is ahead of JR, but that's about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cooper will have its own upper school - they are adding a grade each year so in the next two years they will have 9th and so on - there is no preference between the schools -

As for PARCC data - high school data is tough to hang your hat on because the kids taking the test get less and less as they age out of the requirement - and with APs and other finals etc the HS kids just don’t care about it in the same way

As for Latin - I wouldn’t say it is like basis or McKinley for super smart kids who want accelerated opportunities- it is just like a average high school experience - and I don’t mean that as a bad thing - it’s a great place for a lot of different kinds of students

Anonymous wrote:Does the Cooper campus also have feeder rights into the upper school? I thought it did, but looking at the My School DC website, Cooper doesn’t have a feeder listed (whereas the 2nd street location lists the upper school as its feeder).

Also - I’m looking at top line PARCC data from the My School DC site, and while 2nd street has 43.5% of kids with a 4 on PARCC in math, and 8.92% of kids with a 5, the Upper School has <10 kids at 4 or 5. How is that possible?? Is the upper school that bad?

For math - if a student takes Geometry PARCC in 8th grade and Algebra II in 9th, are they totally done with math PARCC after 9th?

If yes, I could see how that might skew numbers at a high school where students have been tracked for math in middle school, as the students on the lowest tracks end up as the biggest percentage of math PARCC takers in high school.

Yes, this is exactly why HS PARCC numbers are not particularly meaningful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cooper will have its own upper school - they are adding a grade each year so in the next two years they will have 9th and so on - there is no preference between the schools -

As for PARCC data - high school data is tough to hang your hat on because the kids taking the test get less and less as they age out of the requirement - and with APs and other finals etc the HS kids just don’t care about it in the same way

As for Latin - I wouldn’t say it is like basis or McKinley for super smart kids who want accelerated opportunities- it is just like a average high school experience - and I don’t mean that as a bad thing - it’s a great place for a lot of different kinds of students

Anonymous wrote:Does the Cooper campus also have feeder rights into the upper school? I thought it did, but looking at the My School DC website, Cooper doesn’t have a feeder listed (whereas the 2nd street location lists the upper school as its feeder).

Also - I’m looking at top line PARCC data from the My School DC site, and while 2nd street has 43.5% of kids with a 4 on PARCC in math, and 8.92% of kids with a 5, the Upper School has <10 kids at 4 or 5. How is that possible?? Is the upper school that bad?

For math - if a student takes Geometry PARCC in 8th grade and Algebra II in 9th, are they totally done with math PARCC after 9th?

If yes, I could see how that might skew numbers at a high school where students have been tracked for math in middle school, as the students on the lowest tracks end up as the biggest percentage of math PARCC takers in high school.

Yes my sophomore is not taking the math PARCC

Anonymous wrote:Cooper will have its own upper school - they are adding a grade each year so in the next two years they will have 9th and so on - there is no preference between the schools -

As for PARCC data - high school data is tough to hang your hat on because the kids taking the test get less and less as they age out of the requirement - and with APs and other finals etc the HS kids just don’t care about it in the same way

As for Latin - I wouldn’t say it is like basis or McKinley for super smart kids who want accelerated opportunities- it is just like a average high school experience - and I don’t mean that as a bad thing - it’s a great place for a lot of different kinds of students

Anonymous wrote:Does the Cooper campus also have feeder rights into the upper school? I thought it did, but looking at the My School DC website, Cooper doesn’t have a feeder listed (whereas the 2nd street location lists the upper school as its feeder).

Also - I’m looking at top line PARCC data from the My School DC site, and while 2nd street has 43.5% of kids with a 4 on PARCC in math, and 8.92% of kids with a 5, the Upper School has <10 kids at 4 or 5. How is that possible?? Is the upper school that bad?

For math - if a student takes Geometry PARCC in 8th grade and Algebra II in 9th, are they totally done with math PARCC after 9th?

If yes, I could see how that might skew numbers at a high school where students have been tracked for math in middle school, as the students on the lowest tracks end up as the biggest percentage of math PARCC takers in high school.

The PARCC Washington Latin PCS - Upper School here (https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/228) is incorrect - it's just a function of how OSSE does redaction.

There were 32 high students testing proficient in math in 2022-2023 for a total of 30% of students testing proficient. The 5s were under 1%, so it got redacted, and then they had to redact the 4s or else you could figure it out from the total proficiency data. The numbers are slightly higher than McKinleys. You have to download the data yourself to see this.

Cooper will have its own upper school - they are adding a grade each year so in the next two years they will have 9th and so on - there is no preference between the schools -

As for PARCC data - high school data is tough to hang your hat on because the kids taking the test get less and less as they age out of the requirement - and with APs and other finals etc the HS kids just don’t care about it in the same way

As for Latin - I wouldn’t say it is like basis or McKinley for super smart kids who want accelerated opportunities- it is just like a average high school experience - and I don’t mean that as a bad thing - it’s a great place for a lot of different kinds of students

Anonymous wrote:Does the Cooper campus also have feeder rights into the upper school? I thought it did, but looking at the My School DC website, Cooper doesn’t have a feeder listed (whereas the 2nd street location lists the upper school as its feeder).

Also - I’m looking at top line PARCC data from the My School DC site, and while 2nd street has 43.5% of kids with a 4 on PARCC in math, and 8.92% of kids with a 5, the Upper School has <10 kids at 4 or 5. How is that possible?? Is the upper school that bad?

OP here - McKinley’s numbers are much better. Starting to think it’s silly to be gunning for Latin for your high performing kid for the high school path.

Does the Cooper campus also have feeder rights into the upper school? I thought it did, but looking at the My School DC website, Cooper doesn’t have a feeder listed (whereas the 2nd street location lists the upper school as its feeder).

Also - I’m looking at top line PARCC data from the My School DC site, and while 2nd street has 43.5% of kids with a 4 on PARCC in math, and 8.92% of kids with a 5, the Upper School has <10 kids at 4 or 5. How is that possible?? Is the upper school that bad?