Anonymous
04/08/2024 23:19
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would encourage vegetarian over vegan. Plenty of substitutes and don't forget things like tofu, chickpeas and other protein sources.
What do you know that the medical doctors who are members of the PCRM don’t know?
Meat, fish, dairy and eggs are not required for optimal human health, at any stage of life.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-parents-need-to-know-about-a-vegan-diet-2020010718625
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/vegan-diets-optimal-growth-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/fruits-and-vegetables-improve-adhd-symptoms-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/exam-room-podcast/raising-vegan-kid
I am vegetarian. No, you don’t need any of it but a lot of the vegan substitutions are heavily processed like fake cheese and butter. That’s a no for me.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 22:47
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
My DD has been vegetarian since she was able to reject food as a baby. By the time she was 11, she was vegan. I got a referral from her pediatrician for a registered dietician and told DD if she wanted to be vegan she needed to meet with the RD and they needed to show me how they could come up with a complete meal plan that met all her nutritional needs. She was an athlete also. Her one processed food crutch was Morningstar Farms chix nuggets, but there were times she'd go over a month without eating any - they were basically an emergency meal.
DD turns 30 this fall and is thriving just fine.
DD turns 30 this fall and is thriving just fine.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 22:40
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m not really into bodybuilding, but you can’t argue with the results: https://www.greatveganathletes.com/athletes/sport/bodybuilders/
Vegan athletes: https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/vegan-athletes-plant-based-diet/
https://vegnews.com/vegan-health-wellness/vegan-athletes-top-of-their-game
This article has diet guidelines followed by the athletes: https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/what-7-elite-vegan-athletes-eat-get-and-stay-ultra-jacked
Vegan diets can be perfectly healthy for all stages of life. There are many people growing up vegan these days, and very healthy for it. But it’s not anything new - in the Blue Zones where longevity is well above the average, people have been eating a vegan diet for centuries - without calling it vegan. They just didn’t have access to meat and dairy.
There is a ton of protein available in plant foods, and your son can get tons of calories from whole grains and legumes and fruits and vegetables and nuts (assuming he is not allergic).
There are tons of resources online to help. The Physician’s Committee for Responsible Medicine promotes a whole foods plant based diet, preferably eschewing animal products which are linked to diabetes because of the way saturated fats operate in the body. PCRM has a great podcast called The Exam Room which has great episodes with tons of information about healthy vegan nutrition. They promote real food over processed meat substitutes.
Look for books from Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Neal Barnard to guide your son in following a healthy vegan lifestyle.
Absolutely he can grow and thrive as a vegan, and he will be doing great things not only for his own long term health and longevity but also for the health of the planet!
Athletes don't stay vegan for more than a couple years. If you follow anyone long term, you would see that. It just doesn't work.
Are you this dumb about all topics or just this one?
Anonymous
04/08/2024 22:37
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:I’m not really into bodybuilding, but you can’t argue with the results: https://www.greatveganathletes.com/athletes/sport/bodybuilders/
Vegan athletes: https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/vegan-athletes-plant-based-diet/
https://vegnews.com/vegan-health-wellness/vegan-athletes-top-of-their-game
This article has diet guidelines followed by the athletes: https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/what-7-elite-vegan-athletes-eat-get-and-stay-ultra-jacked
Vegan diets can be perfectly healthy for all stages of life. There are many people growing up vegan these days, and very healthy for it. But it’s not anything new - in the Blue Zones where longevity is well above the average, people have been eating a vegan diet for centuries - without calling it vegan. They just didn’t have access to meat and dairy.
There is a ton of protein available in plant foods, and your son can get tons of calories from whole grains and legumes and fruits and vegetables and nuts (assuming he is not allergic).
There are tons of resources online to help. The Physician’s Committee for Responsible Medicine promotes a whole foods plant based diet, preferably eschewing animal products which are linked to diabetes because of the way saturated fats operate in the body. PCRM has a great podcast called The Exam Room which has great episodes with tons of information about healthy vegan nutrition. They promote real food over processed meat substitutes.
Look for books from Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Neal Barnard to guide your son in following a healthy vegan lifestyle.
Absolutely he can grow and thrive as a vegan, and he will be doing great things not only for his own long term health and longevity but also for the health of the planet!
Athletes don't stay vegan for more than a couple years. If you follow anyone long term, you would see that. It just doesn't work.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:41
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Pink is a vegan. If she can do it your son can too. She’s a machine.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:40
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You could cook with lots of coconut butter, cashew cream, almond butter, dark chocolate...
Part of the issue is that he needs to eat at school, where I don't do the cooking at all. His school doesn't allow outside lunches, and the vegan choices seem to be either more highly processed, or lower calorie than the omnivore choices.
Well you should definitely squash his vegan aspirations, then. Encourage him to eat the poisonous crap offered through most school lunch programs so he can make an early start on arterial plaque buildup and metabolic dysfunction like so many American schoolchildren are.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:38
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would encourage vegetarian over vegan. Plenty of substitutes and don't forget things like tofu, chickpeas and other protein sources.
What do you know that the medical doctors who are members of the PCRM don’t know?
Meat, fish, dairy and eggs are not required for optimal human health, at any stage of life.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-parents-need-to-know-about-a-vegan-diet-2020010718625
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/vegan-diets-optimal-growth-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/fruits-and-vegetables-improve-adhd-symptoms-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/exam-room-podcast/raising-vegan-kid
If we're talking about an adolescent, not a child, and your point is that it's good for all ages, why are all your links about children? That's about as relevant as if you posted links about the elderly?
That's a stupid statement, poster.
Children at all stages require nutritious, high *healthy* calorie diets for optimal growth. The previous links I posted to athletes who follow a vegan diet are entirely applicable - there is no way that OP's teenaged son wouldn't thrive on the same diet that the Williams sisters have followed to fuel their record breaking tennis careers, nor that the many male athletes follow to fuel theirs. And if you'd bothered reading the links at any length, you'd have seen that many of the athletes GREW UP VEGAN, through ALL STAGES OF CHILDHOOD.
You are just anti-vegan, admit it. Or you are arrogant enough to presume you know better than nutritionists and medical doctors who do nutrition for a living.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:33
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:You could cook with lots of coconut butter, cashew cream, almond butter, dark chocolate...
Part of the issue is that he needs to eat at school, where I don't do the cooking at all. His school doesn't allow outside lunches, and the vegan choices seem to be either more highly processed, or lower calorie than the omnivore choices.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:32
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would encourage vegetarian over vegan. Plenty of substitutes and don't forget things like tofu, chickpeas and other protein sources.
What do you know that the medical doctors who are members of the PCRM don’t know?
Meat, fish, dairy and eggs are not required for optimal human health, at any stage of life.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-parents-need-to-know-about-a-vegan-diet-2020010718625
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/vegan-diets-optimal-growth-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/fruits-and-vegetables-improve-adhd-symptoms-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/exam-room-podcast/raising-vegan-kid
If we're talking about an adolescent, not a child, and your point is that it's good for all ages, why are all your links about children? That's about as relevant as if you posted links about the elderly?
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:27
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Anonymous wrote:I would encourage vegetarian over vegan. Plenty of substitutes and don't forget things like tofu, chickpeas and other protein sources.
What do you know that the medical doctors who are members of the PCRM don’t know?
Meat, fish, dairy and eggs are not required for optimal human health, at any stage of life.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-parents-need-to-know-about-a-vegan-diet-2020010718625
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/vegan-diets-optimal-growth-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/fruits-and-vegetables-improve-adhd-symptoms-children
https://www.pcrm.org/news/exam-room-podcast/raising-vegan-kid
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:17
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
You could cook with lots of coconut butter, cashew cream, almond butter, dark chocolate...
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:11
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
I would encourage vegetarian over vegan. Plenty of substitutes and don't forget things like tofu, chickpeas and other protein sources.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 21:04
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
I’m not really into bodybuilding, but you can’t argue with the results: https://www.greatveganathletes.com/athletes/sport/bodybuilders/
Vegan athletes: https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/vegan-athletes-plant-based-diet/
https://vegnews.com/vegan-health-wellness/vegan-athletes-top-of-their-game
This article has diet guidelines followed by the athletes: https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/what-7-elite-vegan-athletes-eat-get-and-stay-ultra-jacked
Vegan diets can be perfectly healthy for all stages of life. There are many people growing up vegan these days, and very healthy for it. But it’s not anything new - in the Blue Zones where longevity is well above the average, people have been eating a vegan diet for centuries - without calling it vegan. They just didn’t have access to meat and dairy.
There is a ton of protein available in plant foods, and your son can get tons of calories from whole grains and legumes and fruits and vegetables and nuts (assuming he is not allergic).
There are tons of resources online to help. The Physician’s Committee for Responsible Medicine promotes a whole foods plant based diet, preferably eschewing animal products which are linked to diabetes because of the way saturated fats operate in the body. PCRM has a great podcast called The Exam Room which has great episodes with tons of information about healthy vegan nutrition. They promote real food over processed meat substitutes.
Look for books from Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Neal Barnard to guide your son in following a healthy vegan lifestyle.
Absolutely he can grow and thrive as a vegan, and he will be doing great things not only for his own long term health and longevity but also for the health of the planet!
Vegan athletes: https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/vegan-athletes-plant-based-diet/
https://vegnews.com/vegan-health-wellness/vegan-athletes-top-of-their-game
This article has diet guidelines followed by the athletes: https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/what-7-elite-vegan-athletes-eat-get-and-stay-ultra-jacked
Vegan diets can be perfectly healthy for all stages of life. There are many people growing up vegan these days, and very healthy for it. But it’s not anything new - in the Blue Zones where longevity is well above the average, people have been eating a vegan diet for centuries - without calling it vegan. They just didn’t have access to meat and dairy.
There is a ton of protein available in plant foods, and your son can get tons of calories from whole grains and legumes and fruits and vegetables and nuts (assuming he is not allergic).
There are tons of resources online to help. The Physician’s Committee for Responsible Medicine promotes a whole foods plant based diet, preferably eschewing animal products which are linked to diabetes because of the way saturated fats operate in the body. PCRM has a great podcast called The Exam Room which has great episodes with tons of information about healthy vegan nutrition. They promote real food over processed meat substitutes.
Look for books from Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Neal Barnard to guide your son in following a healthy vegan lifestyle.
Absolutely he can grow and thrive as a vegan, and he will be doing great things not only for his own long term health and longevity but also for the health of the planet!
Anonymous
04/08/2024 20:47
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
Nuts and grains have a lot of calories.
Anonymous
04/08/2024 20:33
Subject: More processed vegan food vs. less processed omnivore food
My 13 year old needs a ton of calories. He swims several hours a day, plays another sport at school, and plays lots of pick up basketball and other sports. He's also headed for a growth spurt, and his doctor predicts he'll end up like his Dad who is about 6'6". He's got a really varied diet, and eats mostly healthy food, just in enormous quantities.
He is interested becoming vegan, but I am concerned about how he'd get enough calories without using a lot of processed food, like protein powders etc . . .
I know that plant based whole foods are super healthy, but I don't see how he could enough calories on a plant based diet. Are there solutions I'm missing? Or are plant based processed foods decent substitutes?
He is interested becoming vegan, but I am concerned about how he'd get enough calories without using a lot of processed food, like protein powders etc . . .
I know that plant based whole foods are super healthy, but I don't see how he could enough calories on a plant based diet. Are there solutions I'm missing? Or are plant based processed foods decent substitutes?