Anonymous wrote:No. They make more money selling your data than on selling cars.

Actually no. The various players would like to figure out how to create a big revenue stream from automotive data but so far it's overhyped.

And the poster who says the phone in your pocket is already invading your privacy is exactly right. It's a superior data source to cars because it reveals things beyond your location that are valuable to marketers.

This is still America. Companies mainly encroach on privacy to try to sell you stuff. They don't really care about you and your thoughts. Just your observed or predicted buyer behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you use a cell phone? Have a grocery store shopper card? Amazon? Google? Use literally any e-commerce website?

Regardless of what kind of car you drive, your data is already out there. Don't kid yourself that you car purchase will keep your data from the companies that want it.

It’s not just the tracking. I already limit the size of my digital footprint. DCUM is one of five sites I visit. I HATE having a smart phone and particularly texti. Texting makes me anxious because it reminds me of work. I don’t bank online. I have one credit card that I’ve got in colleges in the Jurassic period.

I don’t want all the electronics and the additional points of failure that come with that. I don’t even see the need for a car nav system these days as I could use Google maps if I really had too. I don’t want to have to update my car like i do my laptop. I need a distracting computer screen with a multitude of options to run the heating or cooling in my car, I just need a lever I can that moves left and right. All the electronics make the car more expensive. I put less than 6k miles a year on my car now. Most of those miles are from road trips 2x a year to visit out of state parents.

My background is in IT and operations engineering FWIW.

I like analog and hard controls too BUT the majority of people do want their cars to be more like smartphones. And a lot of the computerization supports the quality of your car...check engine routines, tire pressure, safety feature sensors, etc. Once all of that computing power is built-in, a little bit can be diverted to a smartphone/tablet style center stack.

New cars are also luxury goods. Luxury goods usually cost more than they are worth from a rational perspective. So they need to be fancy to sell. Smartphones and iPads are considered fancy. Also smartphone style touch controls are often cheaper to produce than hard parts, and can have better quality since fewer parts are involved and they are touched more gently. So a confluence of factors is moving the market away from your preferences.

I respect your preferences but you should not expect the market to head back your way. And honestly, people should be willing to put up with increased control electrification just to get the latest safety sensors. They are literally lifesaving.

Anonymous wrote:No. They make more money selling your data than on selling cars.

I agree, and we’re getting to the point where we aren’t going to own our cars. Bah humbug.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you use a cell phone? Have a grocery store shopper card? Amazon? Google? Use literally any e-commerce website?

Regardless of what kind of car you drive, your data is already out there. Don't kid yourself that you car purchase will keep your data from the companies that want it.

It’s not just the tracking. I already limit the size of my digital footprint. DCUM is one of five sites I visit. I HATE having a smart phone and particularly texti. Texting makes me anxious because it reminds me of work. I don’t bank online. I have one credit card that I’ve got in colleges in the Jurassic period.

I don’t want all the electronics and the additional points of failure that come with that. I don’t even see the need for a car nav system these days as I could use Google maps if I really had too. I don’t want to have to update my car like i do my laptop. I need a distracting computer screen with a multitude of options to run the heating or cooling in my car, I just need a lever I can that moves left and right. All the electronics make the car more expensive. I put less than 6k miles a year on my car now. Most of those miles are from road trips 2x a year to visit out of state parents.

My background is in IT and operations engineering FWIW.

Sorry for the typos … while I’m griping, i hate the latest spellcheck as it introduces more spelling errors. So many times now it changes a word I typed one or two words back AND it changes correctly spelled words that I have to change back multiple times. I’m also finding it increasing difficult to read and edit on the phone too.

Anonymous wrote:Do you use a cell phone? Have a grocery store shopper card? Amazon? Google? Use literally any e-commerce website?

Regardless of what kind of car you drive, your data is already out there. Don't kid yourself that you car purchase will keep your data from the companies that want it.

It’s not just the tracking. I already limit the size of my digital footprint. DCUM is one of five sites I visit. I HATE having a smart phone and particularly texti. Texting makes me anxious because it reminds me of work. I don’t bank online. I have one credit card that I’ve got in colleges in the Jurassic period.

I don’t want all the electronics and the additional points of failure that come with that. I don’t even see the need for a car nav system these days as I could use Google maps if I really had too. I don’t want to have to update my car like i do my laptop. I need a distracting computer screen with a multitude of options to run the heating or cooling in my car, I just need a lever I can that moves left and right. All the electronics make the car more expensive. I put less than 6k miles a year on my car now. Most of those miles are from road trips 2x a year to visit out of state parents.

My background is in IT and operations engineering FWIW.

No. They make more money selling your data than on selling cars.

Do you use a cell phone? Have a grocery store shopper card? Amazon? Google? Use literally any e-commerce website?

Regardless of what kind of car you drive, your data is already out there. Don't kid yourself that you car purchase will keep your data from the companies that want it.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the mechanism by which they track you?
I would not want the Tesla style video of the cabin. But my phone is on my person anyway, listening and tracking, so it's hard to get worked up about more of that.

I have a 10 yo car, that's my solution

LOL. I have a 20yo manual transmission car with an ignition that starts with a real key. It works great but at some point in the near future, I’m sure I will need a new one. —OP

What is the mechanism by which they track you?
I would not want the Tesla style video of the cabin. But my phone is on my person anyway, listening and tracking, so it's hard to get worked up about more of that.

I have a 10 yo car, that's my solution

When I was shopping for cars last year, one salesperson said that the cars that can connect AirPlay wirelessly are the ones that give data to Apple, etc. Connecting with a wire apparently is not the same?

You could build one. Good business idea.

I guess that’s a no.

^what are

Either way what is the least invasive cars on the market today?