Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?

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Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?

This is an excellent question, of course.

I think the real reason there are so many international applicants is the assumption that they can stay in the US afterward.

I think so also. I know several exchange students who studied at high schools (on west coast and east coast), and they all cried and were devastated when they had to leave. Something about how we deliver education isn’t so bad after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh how interesting! I’m floored by the rise of international applicants. This is a new consideration, more competition, and I’m not feeling happy that these students take *so many* spots at American universities.

Same. Huge problem.
National security issues too.

If we had no international students, we would not have STEM! Most international students are denied because they need aid. They add a lot to campus culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Ninnies. We *want* a brain gain.

Sure. Everyone wants that. I do too. But the shocking jump in international students…and at very small colleges…makes one wonder why schools are leaning on these students. Our country is filled with extremely bright students who are multicultural and bring diversity of thought, language, socioeconomics. We don’t actually need to import international students at such significant numbers

1. So provincial.
2. Are you looking at the same 2 & 3% admit rates I am?

Anonymous wrote:Ninnies. We *want* a brain gain.

Sure. Everyone wants that. I do too. But the shocking jump in international students…and at very small colleges…makes one wonder why schools are leaning on these students. Our country is filled with extremely bright students who are multicultural and bring diversity of thought, language, socioeconomics. We don’t actually need to import international students at such significant numbers

Anonymous wrote:What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?

This is an excellent question, of course.

I think the real reason there are so many international applicants is the assumption that they can stay in the US afterward.

Ninnies. We *want* a brain gain.

What is so wrong with universities abroad? Everyone boasts how strong schooling is overseas compared to America, what the heck happened to their university systems?

Bowdoin posted theirs too: https://www.bowdoin.edu/ir/pdf/bowdoin-cds_2023-2024.pdf

In State- 4% of applicants, 17% admitted
OOS- 60% of applicants, 11% admitted
International- 36% of applicants, 2% admitted

Amherst is one of the few need-blind schools for international applicants. It makes sense that such a high proportion of their overall pool is international. I doubt you'd find many schools that have a similarly high percent.

Anonymous wrote:Oh how interesting! I’m floored by the rise of international applicants. This is a new consideration, more competition, and I’m not feeling happy that these students take *so many* spots at American universities.

Same. Huge problem.
National security issues too.

Oh how interesting! I’m floored by the rise of international applicants. This is a new consideration, more competition, and I’m not feeling happy that these students take *so many* spots at American universities.

+1, thank you OP!

Interesting - thanks for sharing.

This is a new thing I noticed while looking at 2023-2024 Common Data Sets for the few schools which have published them so far.

https://www.amherst.edu/system/files/C.%20First-Time%2C%20First-Year%20Admission%20V2.pdf
https://www.wellesley.edu/sites/default/files/assets/departments/instresearch/files/cds_2023-2024_-_final.pdf
https://www.hmc.edu/institutional-research/wp-content/uploads/sites/42/2024/01/CDS_2023-2024_Complete.pdf

"If available, please provide residency breakdowns for total applicants, admits, and enrolled students: Fall 2023"

For instance, at Amherst, 10% of MA students were admitted, compared to 15% of OOS applicants. MA applicants were an small subset of the overall pool- just 7%. While international students made up 38% of the applicant pool, only 3% of them were admitted.

At Wellesley, 16% of MA students were admitted, compared to 17% of OOS applicants. International students made up 27% of the applicant pool, and 6% of them were admitted.

At Harvey Mudd, domestic applicants were the largest group at 46%, and 11% were admitted. 19% of OOS students were admitted. International students were the smallest pool, and 7% were admitted.