Anonymous
01/17/2024 13:44
Subject: Re:What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Dear OP, two years ago the cut-off for Mosaic was 140 for COGAT. I hope that helps.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 09:54
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a misconception/obsession about "in pool" on this board lately.
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
Got it, but just curious about how the in-pool cutoffs vary, if they actually do. Hard to know unless people actually state what the cutoffs are at their school (which are not posted to my knowledge but that individual people would know from direct experience)
OK, but the point was that it doesn't really matter since an in pool kid can be rejected and an out of pool kid can be accepted. It's really just meant to capture the top kids at each school whose parents don't refer for whatever reason, usually lack of awareness about the program in the first place. Anyone with enough knowledge to ask this question is likely to parent refer regardless.
I know, but it does improve the odds to be in pool, no?
Of course it's important (and SHOULD be the primary determinant of eligibility. If being in pool didn't matter, parents would be indifferent about the NNAT and CogAT scores.
What's more important is the actual score. I highly doubt a score that is in pool at one school and not at another makes any measurable difference in outcome. I don't even think the packets are marked as such.
Anonymous
01/13/2024 14:38
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:When I was told DC's score was too low, my response was, "so if you are saying the score is too low, can you assure me that no student will be admitted with a lower score?"
They didn't like that conversation.
I don’t get this. Too low for what? In pool is determined by a formula at each school and grade level. “They” didn’t decide to exclude your child from the pool. If your child isn’t in pool you can parent refer. Teachers often refer kids who aren’t in pool, too. What conversation was there to have?
Anonymous
01/13/2024 13:16
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
*lower scores, not lower skills
Anonymous
01/13/2024 13:14
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:When I was told DC's score was too low, my response was, "so if you are saying the score is too low, can you assure me that no student will be admitted with a lower score?"
They didn't like that conversation.
Why would they need to assure you of that? Scores are not the only factor. A different child with the same or lower skills may make up for that lack in ways your child does not. Since it's a local pool, that also makes variations in admitted scores likely across the entire field.
What you think is a "gotcha" moment just makes you sound like a bully.
Anonymous
01/13/2024 12:55
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
When I was told DC's score was too low, my response was, "so if you are saying the score is too low, can you assure me that no student will be admitted with a lower score?"
They didn't like that conversation.
They didn't like that conversation.
Anonymous
01/13/2024 11:37
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a misconception/obsession about "in pool" on this board lately.
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
Got it, but just curious about how the in-pool cutoffs vary, if they actually do. Hard to know unless people actually state what the cutoffs are at their school (which are not posted to my knowledge but that individual people would know from direct experience)
OK, but the point was that it doesn't really matter since an in pool kid can be rejected and an out of pool kid can be accepted. It's really just meant to capture the top kids at each school whose parents don't refer for whatever reason, usually lack of awareness about the program in the first place. Anyone with enough knowledge to ask this question is likely to parent refer regardless.
I know, but it does improve the odds to be in pool, no?
Of course it's important (and SHOULD be the primary determinant of eligibility. If being in pool didn't matter, parents would be indifferent about the NNAT and CogAT scores.
Anonymous
01/13/2024 09:14
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a misconception/obsession about "in pool" on this board lately.
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
Got it, but just curious about how the in-pool cutoffs vary, if they actually do. Hard to know unless people actually state what the cutoffs are at their school (which are not posted to my knowledge but that individual people would know from direct experience)
OK, but the point was that it doesn't really matter since an in pool kid can be rejected and an out of pool kid can be accepted. It's really just meant to capture the top kids at each school whose parents don't refer for whatever reason, usually lack of awareness about the program in the first place. Anyone with enough knowledge to ask this question is likely to parent refer regardless.
I know, but it does improve the odds to be in pool, no?
Anonymous
01/12/2024 17:47
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a misconception/obsession about "in pool" on this board lately.
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
Got it, but just curious about how the in-pool cutoffs vary, if they actually do. Hard to know unless people actually state what the cutoffs are at their school (which are not posted to my knowledge but that individual people would know from direct experience)
OK, but the point was that it doesn't really matter since an in pool kid can be rejected and an out of pool kid can be accepted. It's really just meant to capture the top kids at each school whose parents don't refer for whatever reason, usually lack of awareness about the program in the first place. Anyone with enough knowledge to ask this question is likely to parent refer regardless.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 16:36
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:The in-pool cut off is the top 10% of whatever score the local student got. How would anyone know that for a specific school unless they are tight with the AART of that school?
Every feeder elementary probably get 20% of their kids into LLIV AAP. But not all of them are in the top 20% of NNAT/COGAT scorers. NNAT/COGAT is just one data point, unfortunately people focused on it way too much.
They would know if they had a score that didn't make the cutoff and knew others with a close score that did. It's not that hard to imagine.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 16:02
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
The in-pool cut off is the top 10% of whatever score the local student got. How would anyone know that for a specific school unless they are tight with the AART of that school?
Every feeder elementary probably get 20% of their kids into LLIV AAP. But not all of them are in the top 20% of NNAT/COGAT scorers. NNAT/COGAT is just one data point, unfortunately people focused on it way too much.
Every feeder elementary probably get 20% of their kids into LLIV AAP. But not all of them are in the top 20% of NNAT/COGAT scorers. NNAT/COGAT is just one data point, unfortunately people focused on it way too much.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 14:49
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a misconception/obsession about "in pool" on this board lately.
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
Got it, but just curious about how the in-pool cutoffs vary, if they actually do. Hard to know unless people actually state what the cutoffs are at their school (which are not posted to my knowledge but that individual people would know from direct experience)
Anonymous
01/12/2024 08:52
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
There seems to be a misconception/obsession about "in pool" on this board lately.
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
All it means is that your kid had a top 10% score at your specific school and thus is automatically considered for AAP.
It is NOT an automatic admission, some in pool kids do get rejected presumably if the work samples and HOPE/GBRS from the teacher is lackluster.
Additionally, approximately half of the students ultimately accepted into AAP were NOT in pool (parent referred).
Anonymous
01/12/2024 08:27
Subject: What are the in-pool cut-offs for canterbury woods, wakefield es, mantua and oak view?
I hear a lot of people saying their scores would get them in at a lower SES school but wondering what variation there is at schools that have some SES diffs but not large in magnitude.
Anyone in/out of pool this year based on scores at these schools?
Anyone in/out of pool this year based on scores at these schools?