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Anonymous wrote:According to this, 30% of Williams students were recruited athletes in 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/college-sports-bribery-admissions.html

So 2,000 students x .30 = 600 over 4 years, 150/year. Which would leave 99 spots for those 634 ED applicants, so 15%, same as the overall admit rate.

Yep. But you might further subtract Questbridge admits, international admits, and possibly some other hooked admits. You also have to account for the fact that the ED applicant pool at schools like Williams tends to be a little stronger than applicant pool in RD. In sum . . . it's rough out there.

FWIW, my kid shot her shot at Williams ED two weeks ago. On paper, she's a great fit, but it feels like buying a raffle ticket.

I am sorry, but if your kid is unhooked, that was a huge mistake. Have an ED2 lined up…

Anonymous wrote:According to this, 30% of Williams students were recruited athletes in 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/college-sports-bribery-admissions.html

So 2,000 students x .30 = 600 over 4 years, 150/year. Which would leave 99 spots for those 634 ED applicants, so 15%, same as the overall admit rate.

Yep. But you might further subtract Questbridge admits, international admits, and possibly some other hooked admits. You also have to account for the fact that the ED applicant pool at schools like Williams tends to be a little stronger than applicant pool in RD. In sum . . . it's rough out there.

FWIW, my kid shot her shot at Williams ED two weeks ago. On paper, she's a great fit, but it feels like buying a raffle ticket.

Anonymous wrote:According to this, 30% of Williams students were recruited athletes in 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/college-sports-bribery-admissions.html

So 2,000 students x .30 = 600 over 4 years, 150/year. Which would leave 99 spots for those 634 ED applicants, so 15%, same as the overall admit rate.

Except more athletes than that freshman class due to attrition, and more than 30% athletes at Williams overall (if that 30% number is correct, it discounts the 5-10% who were not “recruited” formally but had some interaction with coaches and the thought was could get in “on their own,” which still means an admissions bump).

Regardless, there’s two other substantial ED groups you are not thinking of: Questbridge and Legacy.

Makes the overall admit rate for unhooked kids significantly higher in RD. Not even close.

This creates the absurd scenario that talented unhooked kids should not apply to Williams ED, even if it is their clear first choice. Because these kids are smart, they apply to ED1 or ED2 schools where they actually have an advantage — and they get in. Williams never sees them. Any applicants Williams actually sees in the RD round are the lesser quality kids who didn’t get into their ED1 and ED2 schools.

That’s what you get for being an athlete school these days. It dilutes your product. This was less true 10 years ago. But now that ED rates have gotten that much lower, a threshold has been crossed and the decline in quality of admitted unhooked students will accelerate.

They will still be smart, sure. But Colby quality, then Bates, then…

According to this, 30% of Williams students were recruited athletes in 2019: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/opinion/college-sports-bribery-admissions.html

So 2,000 students x .30 = 600 over 4 years, 150/year. Which would leave 99 spots for those 634 ED applicants, so 15%, same as the overall admit rate.

Anonymous wrote:Williams received 8,745 applications for its Class of 2025, of which it accepted 1,322 students—giving the college an overall acceptance rate of 15%. Williams accepted 249 of 634 applicants who applied through its early decision program, for an early decision acceptance rate of 39%.

How is that not an advantage to have increased acceptance rate in ED?

Williams has an average of 191 varsity athletes per class, probably more are first years due to attrition. I don’t know what percentage is recruited. But this probably a good chunk of those 249 spots.

Williams received 8,745 applications for its Class of 2025, of which it accepted 1,322 students—giving the college an overall acceptance rate of 15%. Williams accepted 249 of 634 applicants who applied through its early decision program, for an early decision acceptance rate of 39%.

How is that not an advantage to have increased acceptance rate in ED?

Anonymous wrote:At Williams, there was about a 25% increase in ED applications and about a 25% decrease in overall applications during the 22/23 admissions cycle. Ironically, Williams is one of the few colleges that emphatically asserts that there is zero ED advantage.

I think that’s true now. The ED admissions rate at Williams continues to decline, but the number of athletes (35% of entire freshman class) stays the same. Also true for Amherst.

At Williams, there was about a 25% increase in ED applications and about a 25% decrease in overall applications during the 22/23 admissions cycle. Ironically, Williams is one of the few colleges that emphatically asserts that there is zero ED advantage.

Anonymous wrote:They don’t release numbers typically until admissions decisions are released.

+1 We learned about the stats during admitted students days. Last year, ED apps hit record highs at the SLACs my DC was admitted to. I expect that the top schools will see an increase this year, too.

Anonymous wrote:The SLAC my kid goes to releases numbers in August.

So I probably shouldn’t hold my breath.

The SLAC my kid goes to releases numbers in August.

SLACs are niche, so I doubt there’s a surge in ED apps. The surge will be in top 20 privates.

They don’t release numbers typically until admissions decisions are released.

No one? Hoping this means there aren’t any numbers worth bragging about. 😂

I’m wondering whether there are big increases or not. Thanks!