Anonymous wrote:In my DD’s grade, the most unlikely girl emerged as the queen bee and still is two year later. She is short, average looking, and by many accounts quite mean.

The mean ones make the most powerful queen bees.

My teenager has been in school with a lot of the same kids since she was two and so much of popularity/social dynamics is ingrained from the very beginning, I think.

In my DD’s grade, the most unlikely girl emerged as the queen bee and still is two year later. She is short, average looking, and by many accounts quite mean.

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait. I’m so sick of overbearing moms running the social lives of their kid and mine as a result. My children didn’t need me to make friends and to be embraced by their peers.

+1 Momgineering is so annoying.

Sixth seemed to be when the mom-engineered groups really splintered. Middle school presents lots of changes and new classmates and limited parental involvement with school. There was a lot of friend group shuffling that I noticed.

What is momgineering? Trying to encourage certain friendships over others? What does that have to do with popularity?

I think personality always matters, and at minimum, starting in K.
Moms can only engineer who hangs out outside of school.

I think it always mattered, but it began to matter a lot around 5th grade and peaked in 7th/8th.

I remember the stress over clothing and hair to be something I had a hard time dealing with in 6th.

Anonymous wrote:Kindergarten, if not before. Some kids have just got it.

No way. Plenty of momgineering in K

Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait. I’m so sick of overbearing moms running the social lives of their kid and mine as a result. My children didn’t need me to make friends and to be embraced by their peers.

This post makes no sense

Kindergarten, if not before. Some kids have just got it.

I can’t wait. I’m so sick of overbearing moms running the social lives of their kid and mine as a result. My children didn’t need me to make friends and to be embraced by their peers.

Sixth grade for looks, second grade for personality especially for girls.

Second grade

I was curious what your experience is. When does the momgineering of friend groups end and when do looks and personality start to determine popularity?