PVS could also legitimately say that they wait to set the standards so they can right-size the March meets. By December the combo of current season data and historical data provides a good indication of how many swimmers will make each cut. If that analysis suggests too many participants, they raise the bar (lower the time); too few, just the opposite. If you follow PVS meeting minutes you’ll see discussions along these lines related to the 12&u LC meet a few years ago. They don’t want champs meets to be too large or too small. The concern at the time was that the 12&u LC champs meet was too small.

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Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, I don’t think the PP was implying that their child would approach the swim any differently. What could happen is that the swimmer might forgo swimming that event if they’ve already made the 2023 cut, in favor of trying for a different cut. If the qualifying time then changes - even minimally - and they’re no longer qualified, then they’ve missed out on opportunities to get the time. At this point in the season, for swimmers where it could go either way, it would be nice to have the correct time standards to inform event selection.

There are plenty of meets in January and February, making all this drama totally unnecessary. If the a can’t swim a tenth faster in January or February, they are bound to finish last in March anyway.

First, I’ve seen zero drama on this thread until your rude post. Second, so they shouldn’t bother swimming pvs championships if they’re going to finish last? Curious, how far do you apply this logic? If someone just makes the Olympic TT cut, should they not swim TT because they’ll finish last? (Preemptive disclaimer that I’m not comparing pvs champs to Olympic tt)

Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, I don’t think the PP was implying that their child would approach the swim any differently. What could happen is that the swimmer might forgo swimming that event if they’ve already made the 2023 cut, in favor of trying for a different cut. If the qualifying time then changes - even minimally - and they’re no longer qualified, then they’ve missed out on opportunities to get the time. At this point in the season, for swimmers where it could go either way, it would be nice to have the correct time standards to inform event selection.

Exactly! Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, I don’t think the PP was implying that their child would approach the swim any differently. What could happen is that the swimmer might forgo swimming that event if they’ve already made the 2023 cut, in favor of trying for a different cut. If the qualifying time then changes - even minimally - and they’re no longer qualified, then they’ve missed out on opportunities to get the time. At this point in the season, for swimmers where it could go either way, it would be nice to have the correct time standards to inform event selection.

There are plenty of meets in January and February, making all this drama totally unnecessary. If the a can’t swim a tenth faster in January or February, they are bound to finish last in March anyway.

It isn’t “drama”. It is asking a simple question of why the cuts come out so late. I can’t speak for the OP, but as someone whose child is right on the cut I disagree that there are plenty of meets in Jan and Feb. Our team has 2 meets total during this time and one is during a school event. For planning purposes, it would be nice to know how to prioritize.

Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, I don’t think the PP was implying that their child would approach the swim any differently. What could happen is that the swimmer might forgo swimming that event if they’ve already made the 2023 cut, in favor of trying for a different cut. If the qualifying time then changes - even minimally - and they’re no longer qualified, then they’ve missed out on opportunities to get the time. At this point in the season, for swimmers where it could go either way, it would be nice to have the correct time standards to inform event selection.

There are plenty of meets in January and February, making all this drama totally unnecessary. If the a can’t swim a tenth faster in January or February, they are bound to finish last in March anyway.

With all due respect, I don’t think the PP was implying that their child would approach the swim any differently. What could happen is that the swimmer might forgo swimming that event if they’ve already made the 2023 cut, in favor of trying for a different cut. If the qualifying time then changes - even minimally - and they’re no longer qualified, then they’ve missed out on opportunities to get the time. At this point in the season, for swimmers where it could go either way, it would be nice to have the correct time standards to inform event selection.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would come out soon so the kids at least know what they are aiming for. Is there a reason they are always released so late/after the start of the season?

Aim for last year’s times. 95 percent of them don’t change.

This. And even if there are changes they won’t be drastic.

Even a small change will impact some kids so it would be make sense to know what the goal is earlier rather than later.

A tenth or 2 tenths of a second is not going to make any difference in how a kid approaches trying to make that time. The changes, if there even are any, really are as minor as a tenth or 2, it’s not like they are going to lower the 50 free cut by a full second or something.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would come out soon so the kids at least know what they are aiming for. Is there a reason they are always released so late/after the start of the season?

Aim for last year’s times. 95 percent of them don’t change.

This. And even if there are changes they won’t be drastic.

Even a small change will impact some kids so it would be make sense to know what the goal is earlier rather than later.

How would a change of a tenth of a second in a qualifying standard affect anything that the kid would do? Just keep training hard and then swim as fast as you can at the meets.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would come out soon so the kids at least know what they are aiming for. Is there a reason they are always released so late/after the start of the season?

Aim for last year’s times. 95 percent of them don’t change.

This. And even if there are changes they won’t be drastic.

Even a small change will impact some kids so it would be make sense to know what the goal is earlier rather than later.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would come out soon so the kids at least know what they are aiming for. Is there a reason they are always released so late/after the start of the season?

Aim for last year’s times. 95 percent of them don’t change.

This. And even if there are changes they won’t be drastic.

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would come out soon so the kids at least know what they are aiming for. Is there a reason they are always released so late/after the start of the season?

Aim for last year’s times. 95 percent of them don’t change.

I wish they would come out soon so the kids at least know what they are aiming for. Is there a reason they are always released so late/after the start of the season?

They don’t change too much, but they do change occasionally.

I think they came out in November last year. For the 14 and under champs there was no change from 2022 to 2023.

I noticed that PVS hasn’t yet released the qualifying times for the 2024 championship meets. Do those typically change much year over year? I’m surprised they’re not out yet, as the times may impact event selection for upcoming meets. (I’m not complaining. I’m grateful for all of the PVS volunteers!)