Anonymous
10/23/2023 16:36
Subject: Re:AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Keep AAP but limit it to the top 15% of each schools population. Close the Centers. That way the LIV classroom reflects the top 15% of the kids at that school. The kids who are ahead receive additional challenge. Heck, set it at 20% for each school so it reflects the number of kids in AAP now.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 16:32
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I found this article so moving:
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/gifted-talented-programs-not-path-equity/
And the arguments made are so compelling.
Don’t you agree this also applies to the AAP program? Should we find ways to phase it out, and offer the same opportunities to every learner in FCPS ?
Yes, especially since the current incarnation of AAP is just segregation for those with means.
Try again. Without AAP, our school would be very white and homogenous.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 16:26
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:
I am very much against attacking programs for the gifted, and programs for special needs, under the pretense of offering equitable treatment.
Kids are NOT all the same, they do NOT have the same needs. We absolutely must provide the correct curriculum modifications for groups who need advancement or support.
The very notion that "Equity" demands that precocious children get less than they need is ridiculous and wrong.
Furthermore, this notion alienates parents who might have been sensitive to drives for more equitable access to education, or other things.
Now when I hear the word "equity"... it means some stupid moron's impractical thesis that has no basis in reality and does not acknowledge the various needs of stakeholders.
Amen!
Anonymous
10/23/2023 15:57
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
I am very much against attacking programs for the gifted, and programs for special needs, under the pretense of offering equitable treatment.
Kids are NOT all the same, they do NOT have the same needs. We absolutely must provide the correct curriculum modifications for groups who need advancement or support.
The very notion that "Equity" demands that precocious children get less than they need is ridiculous and wrong.
Furthermore, this notion alienates parents who might have been sensitive to drives for more equitable access to education, or other things.
Now when I hear the word "equity"... it means some stupid moron's impractical thesis that has no basis in reality and does not acknowledge the various needs of stakeholders.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 15:50
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I found this article so moving:
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/gifted-talented-programs-not-path-equity/
And the arguments made are so compelling.
Don’t you agree this also applies to the AAP program? Should we find ways to phase it out, and offer the same opportunities to every learner in FCPS ?
Yes, especially since the current incarnation of AAP is just segregation for those with means.
Why say segregation and not differentiation? Failing to differentiate appropriately hurts those who are doing well. So are you basically saying it's ok to hurt those who are doing well because...they're doing well?
And note, if the county makes moves to reduce differentiation, this isn't going to solve any problems because more families will go private.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 15:47
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:AAP is the only reasonable elem/middle education in FCPS, especially if you are at an lower/middle SES school. The "regular" track is essentially remedial.
But just looking at the initiatives that the county is driving. It seems strange that they wouldn't remove it except for the legal requirement.
Going cluster and local at every school is probably as close as they can get to removing it while still meeting the mandate for a gifted program. I expect that to be the long path forward.
This article seems relevant to this discussion: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/23/upshot/sat-inequality.html?smid=em-share
Anonymous
10/23/2023 15:43
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Unless you restrict AAP, or anything else, only to poor people, then rich people will have more of it because that's what "rich" means.
If you want to hurt rich people, just raise taxes. Don't dumb down all of society.
If you want to hurt rich people, just raise taxes. Don't dumb down all of society.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 15:39
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:I found this article so moving:
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/gifted-talented-programs-not-path-equity/
And the arguments made are so compelling.
Don’t you agree this also applies to the AAP program? Should we find ways to phase it out, and offer the same opportunities to every learner in FCPS ?
Yes, especially since the current incarnation of AAP is just segregation for those with means.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 15:12
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
AAP is the only reasonable elem/middle education in FCPS, especially if you are at an lower/middle SES school. The "regular" track is essentially remedial.
But just looking at the initiatives that the county is driving. It seems strange that they wouldn't remove it except for the legal requirement.
Going cluster and local at every school is probably as close as they can get to removing it while still meeting the mandate for a gifted program. I expect that to be the long path forward.
But just looking at the initiatives that the county is driving. It seems strange that they wouldn't remove it except for the legal requirement.
Going cluster and local at every school is probably as close as they can get to removing it while still meeting the mandate for a gifted program. I expect that to be the long path forward.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 13:10
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
DEI is the new refuge of scoundrels.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 13:02
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Whatever cutback you make in public schools only hurts the people who can't afford anything else.
If you stop offering Algebra in 8th grade - only the people who can't afford to get it outside of public school will be held back.
If you stop offering Algebra in 8th grade - only the people who can't afford to get it outside of public school will be held back.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 12:57
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An old article, and the writers are too chicken to allow comments.
Lol
2019 is not exactly “old.”
A lot has changed during and since the pandemic and virtual school. Where do you think the science of reading came from? Some groups had been pushing for change for years but it wasn't until parents saw first hand what their children were, or were not, learning, that the science of reading swept Virginia and the country.
Anonymous
10/23/2023 12:54
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
Anonymous wrote:An old article, and the writers are too chicken to allow comments.
Lol
2019 is not exactly “old.”
Anonymous
10/23/2023 12:53
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
An old article, and the writers are too chicken to allow comments.
Lol
Lol
Anonymous
10/23/2023 12:49
Subject: AAP should be eliminated as it’s not the path to equity
I found this article so moving:
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/gifted-talented-programs-not-path-equity/
And the arguments made are so compelling.
Don’t you agree this also applies to the AAP program? Should we find ways to phase it out, and offer the same opportunities to every learner in FCPS ?
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/gifted-talented-programs-not-path-equity/
And the arguments made are so compelling.
Don’t you agree this also applies to the AAP program? Should we find ways to phase it out, and offer the same opportunities to every learner in FCPS ?