Anonymous
10/15/2023 12:01
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I teach an AP class, so all my tests mirror the AP format or part MC, part FR. I know that for the AP test students have about 2.25 minutes per MC question and about 12 minutes per free response.
My test yesterday was 16 MC and 2 FR. Should be 36 minutes for MC and 24 for FR. We reviewed at the front of the block and I gave students 70 minutes to work through it (a little wiggle room since it’s still early in the year).
For my 1.5x kids (I don’t have any double time) I take away the last FR question. That makes 48+18 =64 minutes expected and 70 minutes given. They come back same day during lunch or after school to do the remaining 18 minute FR.
I used to give the whole test and let them save their extra time for where they needed it, but the cheating was rampant. I ended up with kids intentionally delaying completion so they could google things and come back and fix mistakes. No more.
GASP! Does that mean you're "teaching to the test"?
Anonymous wrote:Test Prep tutor here. for AP tests, you must teach to test. Specific material is covered. Test format is very specific and has a very formulaic way of earning points. I see many bright kids in my practice who have never been taught this.
Damn you, Poe's Law!
Anonymous
10/15/2023 11:39
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I teach an AP class, so all my tests mirror the AP format or part MC, part FR. I know that for the AP test students have about 2.25 minutes per MC question and about 12 minutes per free response.
My test yesterday was 16 MC and 2 FR. Should be 36 minutes for MC and 24 for FR. We reviewed at the front of the block and I gave students 70 minutes to work through it (a little wiggle room since it’s still early in the year).
For my 1.5x kids (I don’t have any double time) I take away the last FR question. That makes 48+18 =64 minutes expected and 70 minutes given. They come back same day during lunch or after school to do the remaining 18 minute FR.
I used to give the whole test and let them save their extra time for where they needed it, but the cheating was rampant. I ended up with kids intentionally delaying completion so they could google things and come back and fix mistakes. No more.
GASP! Does that mean you're "teaching to the test"?
Test Prep tutor here. for AP tests, you must teach to test. Specific material is covered. Test format is very specific and has a very formulaic way of earning points. I see many bright kids in my practice who have never been taught this.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 13:16
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Anonymous wrote:I teach an AP class, so all my tests mirror the AP format or part MC, part FR. I know that for the AP test students have about 2.25 minutes per MC question and about 12 minutes per free response.
My test yesterday was 16 MC and 2 FR. Should be 36 minutes for MC and 24 for FR. We reviewed at the front of the block and I gave students 70 minutes to work through it (a little wiggle room since it’s still early in the year).
For my 1.5x kids (I don’t have any double time) I take away the last FR question. That makes 48+18 =64 minutes expected and 70 minutes given. They come back same day during lunch or after school to do the remaining 18 minute FR.
I used to give the whole test and let them save their extra time for where they needed it, but the cheating was rampant. I ended up with kids intentionally delaying completion so they could google things and come back and fix mistakes. No more.
Interesting that you take away a question. I also teach an AP class and offer extended time at lunch or after school. Cheating is definitely an issue with extended time because kids have time to google answers. If possible, I give extended time students portions of the test rather than all at once.
Giving them a shorter test is intriguing but also seems tricky because FRQs range in complexity. It doesn’t seem fair to take away a hard frq or an easy one either. Something in the middle would be fine I guess
Anonymous
10/14/2023 11:43
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Anonymous wrote:I teach an AP class, so all my tests mirror the AP format or part MC, part FR. I know that for the AP test students have about 2.25 minutes per MC question and about 12 minutes per free response.
My test yesterday was 16 MC and 2 FR. Should be 36 minutes for MC and 24 for FR. We reviewed at the front of the block and I gave students 70 minutes to work through it (a little wiggle room since it’s still early in the year).
For my 1.5x kids (I don’t have any double time) I take away the last FR question. That makes 48+18 =64 minutes expected and 70 minutes given. They come back same day during lunch or after school to do the remaining 18 minute FR.
I used to give the whole test and let them save their extra time for where they needed it, but the cheating was rampant. I ended up with kids intentionally delaying completion so they could google things and come back and fix mistakes. No more.
GASP! Does that mean you're "teaching to the test"?
Anonymous
10/14/2023 09:47
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
My son had an IEP with double time and used his resource class to finish assignments and tests. Then he graduated to a 504 with double time, without a resource class, which was terrible because he would miss lunch regularly to finish tests, because the math teacher was not available after school. He would rather have stayed later than miss lunch, since his meds for ADHD work optimally only if he eats in the middle of the day. It was a difficult year. And then he graduated, and was able to finagle a college schedule that works better for him, except on one day where he also has to miss lunch.
If your kid is like most kids, they have 50% extra time, and usually they don't miss lunch or important activities.
AP exams were also double time. UGH. And the ACT sections were each taken on a different day altogether.
Yeah, it was a slog. He's doing much better in college.
If your kid is like most kids, they have 50% extra time, and usually they don't miss lunch or important activities.
AP exams were also double time. UGH. And the ACT sections were each taken on a different day altogether.
Yeah, it was a slog. He's doing much better in college.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 09:24
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
I teach an AP class, so all my tests mirror the AP format or part MC, part FR. I know that for the AP test students have about 2.25 minutes per MC question and about 12 minutes per free response.
My test yesterday was 16 MC and 2 FR. Should be 36 minutes for MC and 24 for FR. We reviewed at the front of the block and I gave students 70 minutes to work through it (a little wiggle room since it’s still early in the year).
For my 1.5x kids (I don’t have any double time) I take away the last FR question. That makes 48+18 =64 minutes expected and 70 minutes given. They come back same day during lunch or after school to do the remaining 18 minute FR.
I used to give the whole test and let them save their extra time for where they needed it, but the cheating was rampant. I ended up with kids intentionally delaying completion so they could google things and come back and fix mistakes. No more.
My test yesterday was 16 MC and 2 FR. Should be 36 minutes for MC and 24 for FR. We reviewed at the front of the block and I gave students 70 minutes to work through it (a little wiggle room since it’s still early in the year).
For my 1.5x kids (I don’t have any double time) I take away the last FR question. That makes 48+18 =64 minutes expected and 70 minutes given. They come back same day during lunch or after school to do the remaining 18 minute FR.
I used to give the whole test and let them save their extra time for where they needed it, but the cheating was rampant. I ended up with kids intentionally delaying completion so they could google things and come back and fix mistakes. No more.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 09:15
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Anonymous wrote:Like this example?
A student gets 200% time for a 60 minute history test meaning they should have 2 hours.
The history exam is given all at once to the class and they use up a 60 minute period.
The teacher splits the test into two parts for the child with a 504. They are given 60 minutes to do the multiple choice part and during class and then after school another 60 minutes for the essay.
The problem I see is that some students student may spend 2/3 of their time or 3/4 on the essay or the other way around. Can a teacher arbitrarily split a test for a student with a 504 if they are not splitting it for other students in this way?
I've never seen a non-standardized test given with timed sections, but if the students generally had 30 minutes for multiple choice and 30 minutes for essay, then the teacher can do this. Otherwise, the kid should be able to use time as they see fit. They may need to schedule it at a less than opportune time where it can be done all at once, though.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 09:08
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
We've never had classroom tests that are divided into parts. So it's a 60 minute test and my child gets 100% extra time, or 120 minutes. She works on the test in class for 60 minutes and gets as far as she gets, then finishes during lunch or study hall. I guess that provides the opportunity to cheat, but that hasn't been a problem.
Obviously for standardized testing it's more rigid.
Obviously for standardized testing it's more rigid.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 09:07
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
I think the question is can a teacher do that. I’m not sure. It seems wrong.
Anonymous
10/14/2023 08:59
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Anonymous wrote:Like this example?
A student gets 200% time for a 60 minute history test meaning they should have 2 hours.
The history exam is given all at once to the class and they use up a 60 minute period.
The teacher splits the test into two parts for the child with a 504. They are given 60 minutes to do the multiple choice part and during class and then after school another 60 minutes for the essay.
The problem I see is that some students student may spend 2/3 of their time or 3/4 on the essay or the other way around. Can a teacher arbitrarily split a test for a student with a 504 if they are not splitting it for other students in this way?
If this is what you want you need to specify that in the plan.
Two things to know. Extra time must be offered but your kid may not choose to use it. And extra time on assignments is a double edged sword because there is an ultimate deadline and lots of kids wait too long and end up with too much to finish before the deadline.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 23:27
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
Like this example?
A student gets 200% time for a 60 minute history test meaning they should have 2 hours.
The history exam is given all at once to the class and they use up a 60 minute period.
The teacher splits the test into two parts for the child with a 504. They are given 60 minutes to do the multiple choice part and during class and then after school another 60 minutes for the essay.
The problem I see is that some students student may spend 2/3 of their time or 3/4 on the essay or the other way around. Can a teacher arbitrarily split a test for a student with a 504 if they are not splitting it for other students in this way?
A student gets 200% time for a 60 minute history test meaning they should have 2 hours.
The history exam is given all at once to the class and they use up a 60 minute period.
The teacher splits the test into two parts for the child with a 504. They are given 60 minutes to do the multiple choice part and during class and then after school another 60 minutes for the essay.
The problem I see is that some students student may spend 2/3 of their time or 3/4 on the essay or the other way around. Can a teacher arbitrarily split a test for a student with a 504 if they are not splitting it for other students in this way?
Anonymous
10/13/2023 23:11
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
If the test is given all at once, can a teacher split the test up however she wants so that the extended time is used for only one part?
Anonymous
10/13/2023 21:28
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
For my DD (high school- MCPS), the teacher generally tells her ahead of time when extended time will be. For classes that are after lunch, she generally starts the test during lunch and then finishes in class. She has never stayed after school.
For assignments that she wants extended time, she generally uses email so that she does not stand out. Teachers are great, but it is up to her to advocate for what she needs.
For assignments that she wants extended time, she generally uses email so that she does not stand out. Teachers are great, but it is up to her to advocate for what she needs.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 20:07
Subject: Re:Extra time on 504 how does it work
I work with (mcps) MS kids. For timed tests, they usually get the extra time during lunch (or resource if they have it). Sometimes before or after school. Once in a while, a kid will miss part of their next class. If test sections are timed separately, each section gets the extra time but it can't be banked.
In practice, almost no regular classroom test/quiz/etc is actually timed; all the kids get the time they need. MCAP and other "high stakes" tests are blocked out ahead of time for extended time, and the kids getting it are in a separate area.
In practice, almost no regular classroom test/quiz/etc is actually timed; all the kids get the time they need. MCAP and other "high stakes" tests are blocked out ahead of time for extended time, and the kids getting it are in a separate area.
Anonymous
10/13/2023 19:38
Subject: Extra time on 504 how does it work
DC has extra time for the first time and we are wondering how it works? Do kids come in during lunch to finish tests or just stay after class? Can you split up a test into two parts when it has not been split up for other students and who decides how it is split up? What if a student ends up needing more time on the first part of a test and less on the second part?