Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:17     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:Is not starting impeding her development? Probably not. So deal with it.


I would say it is because she is used to going up and down the field the entire game, and there is also the mental side of knowing your relied on and appreciated. Thank you for the tremendously insightful post.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:17     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Based on this post, the coach probably already knows this bothers you and might just intentionally see how long you can handle it.

They may also think you and/or your daughter are not a great fit and could be fine with you leaving too. If there are distractions, sometimes you get better via subtraction, even when talent level is high.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:12     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:OP, is your DD getting sufficient playing time (more than the other wingers, for example)? If she is, it could simply be that the coach is doing this for tactical reasons, like sandbagging the other team and then bringing the ace in off the bench to keep the opponent off balance and put them on their heels just as they think they have sized up your DD's team and teammates. Many higher level coaches spend the first 10 minutes watching the other team to probe for weaknesses and will keep some strong players on the bench so they can then put them in and implement a tacitcal maneuver with their strongest pieces.

I agree with others that, if it bothers your DD, she should take initiative to ask the coach, what would it take for me to become a starter? Coaches usually appreciate that the most when the players advocate for themselves. I think it would be well within your bounds to give the coach a heads up, "Hi, my daughter might ask to talk to you at practice today about something." The coach can then try to make extra eye contact etc with your DD or afterwards even prompt the converation with, "Hey, DD, how's it going? How are you feeling?"


Appreciate this post. I think there is "some" of what you say, she will put my daughter in to take the other teams most physical player. My daughter is pissed she knows she is dominant over the other girls at practice on the team. I will see how this weekend goes and have her initiate the talk.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:12     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.


Depending on age, has your DD tried to speak to the coach and understand his reasoning on what she could do differently to get opportunities to start? I would try that first and see if the coach gives her opportunities if she meets his criteria. Has she been given opportunities to play center mid coming off the bench? If what you say is true, not sure why the coach wouldn't have them playing together. It sounds like she has been playing enough and she should be driving the interactions with coaches as part of her development as a player. I would try that approach first before looking to go somewhere else.


I really like the approach of having her talk to the coach as a step one. Thank you.


NP here, but yes, this. Keep in mind that different coaches have different tactics regarding starting. Sometimes they want to try out new things, and sometimes they dont' think of starting in the same way the players do (as a mark of importance and effectiveness).

She can ask in a way that is also positive:
"Coach, I know I don't start games very much. What can I do to improve so I can start?"
or
"Coach, In my old team, the starting players were always the strongest. What should I be working on to become stronger in order to start?"
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:11     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Starting isn't a huge deal since she is clearly playing enough to rack up points. If the team is having success, the coach probably doesn't see any reason to rock the boat. Not starting can motivate good players to get better and work harder too. Lineup changes can mess up team dynamics too. If your daughter is instant offense in the way you are describing, it seems to be working.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:07     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.

What age is this? I know my ds was told at u15 playing time is not equal. For most clubs, this is the "competition" phase.


12, I agree and am 100% of the playing time is not equal and the best should play. It is undeniable that she is a much better athlete and more skilled player. So my feelings are if she is a part of the team and not just the "new kid" she should be treated to where her ability places her.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 11:05     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.


Depending on age, has your DD tried to speak to the coach and understand his reasoning on what she could do differently to get opportunities to start? I would try that first and see if the coach gives her opportunities if she meets his criteria. Has she been given opportunities to play center mid coming off the bench? If what you say is true, not sure why the coach wouldn't have them playing together. It sounds like she has been playing enough and she should be driving the interactions with coaches as part of her development as a player. I would try that approach first before looking to go somewhere else.


I really like the approach of having her talk to the coach as a step one. Thank you.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 10:44     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.


If your team performs evaluations, perhaps your daughter should ask for that. Keep in mind your coach's opinion of your daughter may/will be different than yours. He surely has reasons for playing her at wing as well as her playing time. Also, sounds like she is younger since you're talking about who takes free kicks (matters less as kids age).

She needs to advocate for herself, as is age appropriate. If she wants more, then she needs to continue to perform and talk to the coach. Also ask yourself, do her needs as a teammate match yours?
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 10:41     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Is not starting impeding her development? Probably not. So deal with it.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 10:39     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

If your DD wants it, this is an opportunity for her to take it so to speak by speaking up for herself. Sounds like she is really talented--she should own it and she may really be able to take off beyond where she is at now.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 10:37     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

OP, is your DD getting sufficient playing time (more than the other wingers, for example)? If she is, it could simply be that the coach is doing this for tactical reasons, like sandbagging the other team and then bringing the ace in off the bench to keep the opponent off balance and put them on their heels just as they think they have sized up your DD's team and teammates. Many higher level coaches spend the first 10 minutes watching the other team to probe for weaknesses and will keep some strong players on the bench so they can then put them in and implement a tacitcal maneuver with their strongest pieces.

I agree with others that, if it bothers your DD, she should take initiative to ask the coach, what would it take for me to become a starter? Coaches usually appreciate that the most when the players advocate for themselves. I think it would be well within your bounds to give the coach a heads up, "Hi, my daughter might ask to talk to you at practice today about something." The coach can then try to make extra eye contact etc with your DD or afterwards even prompt the converation with, "Hey, DD, how's it going? How are you feeling?"
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 09:54     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.


I'd urge a bit of patience. For my DD at the U13 age, there were a number of new girls on her team. The girls who were at the club previously at U12 remained starters in the fall. However, by the spring, the team made the necessary changes. The new girls who were better became starters for the spring. They used the fall to gather film, evaluate, change some positions, etc.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 09:43     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.

What age is this? I know my ds was told at u15 playing time is not equal. For most clubs, this is the "competition" phase.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 09:14     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

Anonymous wrote:For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.


Depending on age, has your DD tried to speak to the coach and understand his reasoning on what she could do differently to get opportunities to start? I would try that first and see if the coach gives her opportunities if she meets his criteria. Has she been given opportunities to play center mid coming off the bench? If what you say is true, not sure why the coach wouldn't have them playing together. It sounds like she has been playing enough and she should be driving the interactions with coaches as part of her development as a player. I would try that approach first before looking to go somewhere else.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 08:56     Subject: When To Say Something To New Coach About Starting

For background, at the end of the spring we left my daughters long time team to join a new soccer club. My daughters previous team was very good, however they were extremely reliant on my daughter and two other girls, we played the worst brand of soccer in the premier division because outside of our 3 top athletes the other girls were less committed & less skilled. I wanted my daughter in an environment with a stronger supporting cast of players who matched her commitment to soccer.

We moved clubs, the new club was extremely excited to get her & there is a lot to like, everyone is extremely committed, has functional ball skills and it is a less "well off" area so the parents are just much nicer to interact with. They train very hard and I think the coach is very good.

I am a life long soccer person, played NCAA, coached high school & did private trainings for many years. So I know my stuff, I am very involved in my daughters development but i usually just keep my mouth shut and let things play out.

Here is my problem, my daughter is one of the 2 most talented players on the new team. If you look at pure ability, she is the strongest, fastest, strikes the ball the best & has the best ball skills. She is currently playing out of position (was center mid forever) since the other girl who is also a high level talent plays that and was there first and they are comparable (Mine is better athlete, other is smarter and better motor). They are playing her as a winger and the coach has empowered her some by having her take most of the free kicks (she always took all).

We are now in October, she joined the team in July and my daughter has not started a game yet, despite this she has more goals and assists then the other wingers combined. There is no comparison ability wise between her and the other players, but they have been on the team since they were little. There is a time limit on this for me, she works very hard, never misses a practice and is a huge difference maker in the age group. At what point can i say that this is a problem for me and if it is not fixed she will move?

Any team i take her to will want her so we will have options, but with the stuff I like about the club, I was hoping this could be a longer term home.