Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:52     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.


The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade


Give me a break, nobody is exploiting OP’s precious child’s work. How much does the group project even counts for the grade, 10%? It matters little for the fuss op is making. They are usually easy enough that a motivated student just dies is with ease. The issue is OP thinks her child is taking advantage of.


My kid just finished a group project where two of them had to do the work for the two slackers they were assigned to work with. The grade counted for 30% of 65% percent of their grade thanks to the new FCPS grading system.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:50     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.


The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade


Give me a break, nobody is exploiting OP’s precious child’s work. How much does the group project even counts for the grade, 10%? It matters little for the fuss op is making. They are usually easy enough that a motivated student just dies is with ease. The issue is OP thinks her child is taking advantage of.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:39     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.


The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:36     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


You’ve never been on a group project where one person has to pull the rest of the team along? Really?


Yeah, but I don’t go complain to mommy who then turns to DCUM to vent and get advice. The daughter is in high school, by now she should be fine handling the school work on her own. Land that helicopter already!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:28     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


It's a valid concern. You'd be surprised at how many AP kids aren't actually the motivated, stereotypical AP kids that you think they are. In my prior experience I'd estimate about 25% were high-achievers like OP's daughter who stepped up and took responsibility, the middle 50% had slightly above-average to average levels of motivation, and the bottom quarter took the class because their parents told them to.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:26     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


You’ve never been on a group project where one person has to pull the rest of the team along? Really?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:24     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


And you sound like the parent of one of these kids. The project is due and none of the others in the group have completed their assignments despite DD sending reminders and later putting together information to help them. They know that DD is a straight A student and want to coast off her work.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:13     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:09     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 09:03     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote: Group projects are a tool of the patriarchy that teach girls that their role in the workplace is to disproportionately do unglamorous grunt work where as boys get to be creative “leaders “.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/group-projects-and-the-secretary-effect/384104/

Burn them to the ground!


That’s what a degree in gender studies does to your brain!

Also, I’d like a venti macchiato!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 08:59     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Group projects are a tool of the patriarchy that teach girls that their role in the workplace is to disproportionately do unglamorous grunt work where as boys get to be creative “leaders “.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/group-projects-and-the-secretary-effect/384104/

Burn them to the ground!


Haha! Thanks for the laugh!


Do you disagree with the premise? I sure don’t.


I mean, yes, I disagree. Both in the school setting and in the world at large. The writer was using her particular experience and using it to make up a theory. And I think her theory is nonsense, from what I see in my kids' school and in the world. But I appreciate the laugh this morning.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 08:47     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Group projects are a tool of the patriarchy that teach girls that their role in the workplace is to disproportionately do unglamorous grunt work where as boys get to be creative “leaders “.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/group-projects-and-the-secretary-effect/384104/

Burn them to the ground!


Haha! Thanks for the laugh!


Do you disagree with the premise? I sure don’t.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 08:29     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote: Group projects are a tool of the patriarchy that teach girls that their role in the workplace is to disproportionately do unglamorous grunt work where as boys get to be creative “leaders “.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/group-projects-and-the-secretary-effect/384104/

Burn them to the ground!


Haha! Thanks for the laugh!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 08:16     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Group projects are a tool of the patriarchy that teach girls that their role in the workplace is to disproportionately do unglamorous grunt work where as boys get to be creative “leaders “.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/group-projects-and-the-secretary-effect/384104/

Burn them to the ground!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 08:09     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?