The myth of all the all knowing CIA has been dead for a long time now

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the big failures of ME intelligence have come from over-reliance on electronic surveillance and a lack of human sources. This is what happened in Gaza too.

Thinking back to when we lost a big chunk of our human intelligence in Iran because Valerie Plame got outed over shitty and petty GOP political behavior.

Who knows how much beans Trump spilled. We all saw him out Israel sources.

Anonymous wrote:Even the best of intelligence is not perfect. Yes, we need to do better. We need to examine what worked and what didn't. But we need to recognize our humanity and that nothing we do is going to be perfect.

Why do “we” need to do better? The Israelis need to do better. Israel is not part of the US. “We” are not responsible for Israel.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

You people watch too much TV.

No. Hamas is not a priority for US intelligence. Why would the US spy inside Israel or spaces controlled by Israel? All we ever hear is Israel has the best intelligence services in the world. Contrary to what is put out in the media Israel and the US are not close allies. There is a lot of mistrust on the US side that Israel “intelligence” is selective and used to manipulate US(ie attack Iran, attack Iran, attack Iran). While the Israelis have contempt for anything US specially intelligence in their backyard and one of their main priorities.

The Egyptians gave warning which were given low priority, ignored, looked in to but found not credible and/or stopped at the desk of a political appointee(pick any two). We will never know. Israel intelligence failed completely but the blame will be put someplace politically expedient.

Even the best of intelligence is not perfect. Yes, we need to do better. We need to examine what worked and what didn't. But we need to recognize our humanity and that nothing we do is going to be perfect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Of course they did, but they will claim “unbelievable chatter”. I’m of the mindset that they withheld information from Netanyahu so that it would look like he was to blame for this. Yes, they hate him THAT much.

Taliban was selling our weapons left in Afghanistan on the black market almost immediately after our withdrawal.

Right, Biden intentionally allowed an attack to happen that will cause a massive conflict and surging oil prices during an election year just to damage the leader of a nation of 9.7 million people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Of course they did, but they will claim “unbelievable chatter”. I’m of the mindset that they withheld information from Netanyahu so that it would look like he was to blame for this. Yes, they hate him THAT much.

Taliban was selling our weapons left in Afghanistan on the black market almost immediately after our withdrawal.

Wow you are a lunatic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Of course they did, but they will claim “unbelievable chatter”. I’m of the mindset that they withheld information from Netanyahu so that it would look like he was to blame for this. Yes, they hate him THAT much.

Taliban was selling our weapons left in Afghanistan on the black market almost immediately after our withdrawal.

Reminder... the majority of "our" weapons left in Afghanistan weren't ours - they had been transferred over to Afghan National Army and Afghan Police over the span of 20 years, including by Trump. And more recently it's coming to light that Russian PMCs - Wagner and Redut were training and equipping Hamas, including with Western weapons captured on the Ukraine front. A lot of this is being done deliberately to provide propaganda points to try and discredit the West.

Anonymous wrote:Most of the big failures of ME intelligence have come from over-reliance on electronic surveillance and a lack of human sources. This is what happened in Gaza too.

Thinking back to when we lost a big chunk of our human intelligence in Iran because Valerie Plame got outed over shitty and petty GOP political behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??

Of course they did, but they will claim “unbelievable chatter”. I’m of the mindset that they withheld information from Netanyahu so that it would look like he was to blame for this. Yes, they hate him THAT much.

Taliban was selling our weapons left in Afghanistan on the black market almost immediately after our withdrawal.

I would guess they had some ideas. I would further guess they probably warned Israel, but it seemed like they weren’t paying very much attention.

Most of the big failures of ME intelligence have come from over-reliance on electronic surveillance and a lack of human sources. This is what happened in Gaza too.

I think the past few decades have shown us that “intelligence” is limited when dealing with the Middle East. Apparently Hamas had a very tight operation that included simply not using electronic communications that could be spied on, and having small cells that only knew their own part of the plan. And apparently neither Israel nor America actually had anyone on the inside. It was a well executed operation and apparently Americans and Israelis can’t match that.

It's not so straightforward. They receive billions of reports, signals, measurements, etc every day. The information very well may have been received. That isn't the same thing as analysts keying in on it, assessing it, forming a theory that hamas would attack, writing about it, and that writing reaching the political decision makers.

Does anyone think American Intelligence did not know what Hamas was ready to do??